Dutch Cousins of Kentucky

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Comment by Barbara Whiteside on February 6, 2010 at 4:21pm

Hi Glenda and glad to have you...I don't have any photos of the two named in your message but hopefully someone will find my group and be able to help you......I do have Terhunes in my line but it goes back to my gtgtgtgtgtgt grandmother, Geertruy Terhune Banta, married to Hendrick Banta 2nd in NJ.

Comment by Glenda Chandler on February 6, 2010 at 1:24pm

I was wondering if anyone had a picture of James Paytner or Poytner Terhune & or his wife Cordelia Hart? I have pics of their daughter Hattie Elizabeth I will exchange with you.

Comment by Annemarie on December 4, 2009 at 3:25am

My tree in English : http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.genealogieonline...

Comment by Barbara Whiteside on December 3, 2009 at 9:48am

I am posting this info from DUTCH-COLONIES list as some may be working in PA and need info.....

Dear Listers: At a recent Questers meeting we were informed that the
Historic Houses and Sites, including Washington's Crossing funded or owned
by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, are being closed down and moth balled
indefinately and the employees are being terminated. In addition, the State
Library has terminated Richard Lindberg, the Head Genealogical Librarian and
cut hours way back on both the Pennsylvania State Archives, the Museum and
Library. Therefore, if you have any research requests at any of these
locations, you best get them in prior to the first of the year. Various
"Friends" groups are fighting this decision, but how successful they will be
is still undetermined. Oddly enough, William Penn's Home, which is a total
reproduction, is being kept open. The National Historical Park sites in and
around Philadelphia are on a different schedule so you would have to check
with them.

The info was posted by a trusted friend.

Comment by Richard Baldwin Cook on December 3, 2009 at 9:28am

Hello Annemarie,
Is your family tree posted on the web?

Comment by Barbara Whiteside on December 3, 2009 at 8:14am

Thank you Annemarie....I appreciate your kindness and hope anyone stopping by this list will take advantage of your offer.

Barbara

Comment by Annemarie on December 3, 2009 at 2:09am

Hi my name is Annemarie, born in Rotterdam The Netherlands , if anyone wants any advise or has questions about the dutch roots I am willing to help . I have just completed my own tree and it contains over 2500 people : Kalishoek, van der Vos,Spoeltmann,de Koning,Mulder,Muilenburg,Susan,Clement van Adrichem,Brauw, Ekelmans,Vrijland,Kloppenburg, Zijdeman,Ommering, van Vliet,Dekker,Hendriks, Kemperman,Stomps, Blens, Mone,Boogaard,Welzenbagh,Niesen, Van Tilborg, Spittel, Kans and a lot more.

If you are looking for names not in the list I am willing to help anyway as longas they were dutch.

Kind regards

Annemarie Kalishoek

Comment by Barbara Whiteside on December 2, 2009 at 3:56pm

Hi Richard.....I knew of the relationship to Obama through his mothers father and the Demarests......I relate to him twice with the Demarests....coming down from the two Demarest brothers who married the deRuine sisters. Not sure anyone believed it....but its true. If you see old photos of his grandfather when he was young...Pres Obama looks very much like him.

Comment by Barbara Whiteside on November 30, 2009 at 5:04pm

Drat, lost what I had written....got to get used to posting before I check something else.

OK, if I can remember what all I was saying.....here goes.

first of all, I have written documentation on the lack of our families use of "de" from the earliest known to the most recent......so I am not dismissing anything...I am going by documents from 1624 to the last in my family to carry the name. And the spelling variations I mentioned are documented, not made up out of whole cloth...either deeds, wills, marriages, company records of the Dutch West Indies Company or the Low Dutch Company in KY, and can track the change in spellings and in NONE of them do you find the use of "de". SO I am using primary sources rather than secondary which would account for a lot of variations on the name...add MANFORT, MANFORD, MONFORD, MONTFORD, and MUMFORD... to the list. I KNOW my own lineage.....after 55 years of working it, I list what I can prove...and anything else I will have add a caveat. I also worked in a history dept of a library so know how to check every variation of anything and everything...I was taught well. Therefore I AM spelling it the way they did when I say they started out as MONTFORT, went to MONFOORT, to MONFORT to MONTFORT.....in my line, based on wills, deeds, marriage records, birth/christening records....rather than word of mouth or census records...or even for that matter, Bible records....

As to a dismissal of being connected to the line of Simon de Montfort and those who descend from him who came into America via VA and the Carolinas....I DID say there is NO apparent connection or proven connection in my reply below. I do not claim what I do not have proof. The closeness of Valenciennes to the Netherlands, seems to have made my line go to Amsterdam....and also the Dutch tolerance of other faiths. I have documentation through Harry Macy, of the family leaving from the port of Amsterdam bound for Nieuw Amsterdam in early 1624....not through England. I only say there is a three hundred year gap between what is thought to be the earliest of our line, Brisse, in Valenciennes, France and any connection to others of that name, including Simon. Frankly I have not the money,time nor stamina to try and pursue further back...but if someone else is game....I say go for it.

I have read somewhere that Brisse was not native to Valenciennes...and though he is not proven to be the father of Jan and at least two other children recorded in the church records there....he is the ONLY one of the name Montfort in the area at the time they were born. When I do my line, I only say Brisse MAY be the father of Jan...not proven.

Yes my Bantas were from Friesland, beginning with Epke Jacobse whose children took the name Banta for a surname once in America. I descend from this line more than once.,,,as I do from the Demarests.....and Rykers.

Joan Murray was one of the guest speakers along with Mary Parks, a Ryker descendant I have been in contact with.....[and head of the Holland Dames] at the Gathering of Dutch Cousins this past year....I have Joan's books and have been in contact with her before we met about an error in it. Several books on the Banta's repeat this error and I've been in touch with each of the living authors with proof showing the entry in their books is wrong. They have 1. my great great great grandfather, Francis Montfort Jr, dying in 1814.....I have his death from a Shaker journal proving he lived till Jan 15, 1867...and have read and copied from a journal that he probably kept himself for the carpenter shop at the East House at Shakertown at Pleasant HIll, KY for 19 years. This is all at the Filson Historical Society archives in Louisville, KY...2. that he married Margaret/Peggy Banta when I have a copy of his original marriage license to Polly Banta dated May 1802 Shelby County, KY and that of Margaret to his brother Jacob dated 1805 in Henry County, KY...also Jacobs divorce from Peggy and second marriage to Nancy Lineback in 1837 Mercer County, KY and 3. each book or entry online names him having four daughters......and the names listed are actually the names of his wife's sisters.......he and Polly had three children,...a boy born in 1803, a girl in 1805 and a boy in late 1806...the girls mentioned as his are MUCH older.....its disappointing sometimes to see the errors perpetuated.

And have read anything and everthing out there on the Montfort family...I know my line well. Until the internet I had no idea of any others in my family that were interested in the family's history and its interesting that all of us knew the same things that had been handed down...the name was Montfort, they were French Huguenots, and they came to Kentucky very early. Always they were spoken of as Huguenots by descendants and in books on the family as well as allied families.

Basically I set up this site for those who are of the Low Dutch Colony that followed Hendrick Banta 3rd to KY in 1780...not just my Montforts..I have another site for them.

Comment by Richard Baldwin Cook on November 30, 2009 at 4:59pm

Armandoooooooo,

Dude, I stopped reading after the first sentence.

Let's share what (we think) we know w/out expressing "disappointment" with the comments of others. Oops. There I go, violating my own Proposed New Rule. Apologies.

Now I will read the rest of your post - which looks like it may very have some good stuff in it. Something that will make the Montforts, Montfoorts, van Montforts, van Montfoorst, van Montvords, de Montforst, Van Montfoordes proud.

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