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Comment by Jodi Lynn Spade Roessler on September 2, 2009 at 9:56am

Thanks Barbara! Yes I believe he did go by Henry. I also have him and his family in the censuses you mentioned, as well as the 1910. I have never searched the Castle Garden records, and through that I believe that Katherine and Heinrich may have had a son with them (3 year old Ernst). The 3 Knierims are listed as arriving on the ship Fulda on 12 Jul 1887 from Bremen, Germany. Sadly, having never heard of Ernst before, I assume that he did not survive to 1900... Thank you so much!

Comment by Barbara M Leydecker on September 2, 2009 at 9:15am

Hi, Jodi- Is it possible that your Johann Heinrich went by Henry? There are listings for Henry and Katherine Knierim on the 1900, 1920, and 1930 census and their first child was named Anna. They went on to have a total of 8 children. They do list 1890 as the year they each came over. According to the 1930 census they would have been married around 1893. The only listing on Castle Garden for a Heinrich arrived in 1887 and would have been born around 1861. I found some new passenger lists on Ancestry yesterday, but they haven't been indexed yet, so you have to search page by page. I'll let you know if I come across anything.

Comment by Jodi Lynn Spade Roessler on September 1, 2009 at 2:36pm

Also, on my husband's side: KNIERIM
Johann Heinrich Knierim was born 7 Aug 1863 in Mitterode. He came to the US in about 1890 according to a census record. I do not know anything about his arrival. He was married to a Katherine Elisabeth Knierim (yes 2 Knierims married...) who was born 9 Dec 1870 in Niedergude to a Wilhelm Knierim and Elisabeth Schaeffer. I do not know if they met in Germany or in the US; but they settled in Wheeling, West Virginia. Their first known child, Anna, was born in 1894.

Comment by Jodi Lynn Spade Roessler on September 1, 2009 at 2:28pm

Hello all! I have quite a bit of German ancestry. My maiden name is Spade - we have traced the Spade line back to a John Spade (anglicised, naturally). According to the Dunbar Family History (http://www.electricscotland.com/history/world/bios/dunbar_family.htm):
John Spade, a Hessian, was the great-grandfather of John Dunbar on his mother's side. He was a brewer of Hesse. He was drafted for the army to aid the English in their war against America, but he was not found with the troops when ready to sail for America. He was drafted the second time, but again hid; but when drafted the third time he saved his life by coming across, but he deserted and fought with the Continentals for American freedom. After the war John Spade married Mary Magdalena Shafer, a German maid he had met in the Valley of Virginia. John Dunbar married their daughter, Eva. She was born in Monroe county in 1800 and died in Summers county, West Virginia, n 1859.
Other than the mention of hime being a brewer from Hesse, we have no further information. That is of course assuming that the biography printed in 1917 is fairly accurate!

Comment by Barbara Holz Sullivan on August 30, 2009 at 11:28am

I'm researching in Schleswig-Holstein, Bavaria, Rhineland, and Saarland. The names I'm researching are: Holz, Sauber, Elligen, Greif, Fischer, Andresen, Thomsen, Arnoldy, and Terre. I've found the birthplaces for each of my ancestors, except for Louis Fischer from Bavaria and Nicholas Elligen (changed his name), possibly from Alsace-Lorraine. These ancestors ended up in Dubuque, Iowa and married people from Austria and Luxembourgh.

Comment by Darlene Ford on August 30, 2009 at 9:38am

My boyfriend's great, great, grandfather was Alois Enderly who came from Baden Baden Germany. He settled in Chillicothe, OH. Looking for more information on the family.

Comment by Kath Heytink on August 30, 2009 at 9:01am

Thanks, Michael, but I've already got the information from all the pertinent US Census records. What I'm trying to find is information on when they came to the US. I suspect they came through Castle Garden, since they weren't using Ellis Island in the 1850s and 60s when I think they may have come over. They had to be here in 1861 because that's when my great grandfather, Anthony was born.

I would love to find some record of them in Germany, but until I fond out when they came here and whether they came together, that's going to be tough.

Comment by Kath Heytink on August 29, 2009 at 9:57am

I'm trying to find some information about George (possibly Jurgen) and Caroline Elder. I have found them in the 1870, 1880 and 1900 (Caroline and the children only) census, They are listed as being born in Germany, Bayern - which I understand is Bavaria. The children - Conrad, Johanna, George, and either Anthony or George - possibly both) are list as being born in New York - possibly Brooklyn.

Anthony is my great grandfather. I find it odd that he is listed as Anthony in one census (1880) and John in another (1870). In the 1880 Census, Caroline is listed as having 4 children, with 4 living. I don't know what to make of the Anthony/John situation - it's definitely not a transcription error. Anthony doesn't sound like John - so I don't get it.

Much of the other information fits, so except for that mystery, I'm quite sure they are my Elders.

What I'm trying to fond out is if George and Caroline came over from Germany together or if they met and married here. I can't seem to find any source for either case. I thought perhaps, I would find them on the same boat in the same year, but I don't know Caroline's maiden name

Comment by Barbara M Leydecker on August 27, 2009 at 6:39pm

I have been struggling to find Caspar Steininger. I have that he was born in Bavaria abt. 1845 and came to America sometime before 1870. I know he married and had three children before his death from pneumonia around 1874. I would love to find out when he came over from Germany.

Comment by Judith Anne Hutchings (nee Marsh on August 25, 2009 at 1:04pm

I am researching the Helfichs who came from Heddesheim, Georg Helfrech (1825 -1876 ) came to South Africa about 1875. He married Catharina Louis(1825 -1894 born in Germany somewhere. Their son Adam, a trader, (b. 16.12.1850 in Heddesheim) married Eva Maria Duchateau (b. 17.03.1861in Mannheim) on 16.12. 1878 in a catholic church in South Africa.. I am interested in tracing back their german ancestors but don't know how to start. I imagine that they could have been persecuted catholics but don't really know

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