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Comment by elizabeth sanderson on March 5, 2015 at 11:08pm

Just followed the link to Rosemary's ancestry page for Clayborn.  Looks like I entered all of that when I didn't need to. 

I have had several people give me 3 different names for Claiborne's father.  Why did you choose Paul?  The others I have been given are William, and Robert or Richard (can't remember which one, but it was an R)

Do you think/agree/etc that Claiborne is descended from John and Jane Pigg in VA before 1640.  I asked my dad once where the name came from and he said it was Scots-Irish, but they didn't really begin coming the the US until about 1717.  John (1640) is believed to have been a cavalier who supported the king against Cromwell. 

Have I missed something here in the time I have been away from my genealogy?

Comment by elizabeth sanderson on March 5, 2015 at 11:02pm

Just was directed here tonight.  I have the Holder/Pigg line also.  This is my understanding of my line--not all documented

Claiborne bn abt 1759 in VA, married Fanny (Fannie Ann Holder?) and others, possibly had as many as 13 children (information received years ago from researcher who is probably dead now)

One of his sons listed as John Cleborn married Rebecca "Becky" Holder

Claiborne was in Wayne county by 1850 as he is listed in the census there at 91 years old, as is my ancestor Laney.  Laney who married Jansie (Gensie-possibly Jennifer Jane) Holder daughter of John Holder and Elizabeth Smallwood.  They had 8 children: John Clayborn, M.L., Louisa. Richard A, Caroline E., Sarah A., and Bitha (listed as Tabitha in one census)  They lived in the very north of Wayne county in civil district 1 and 3, probably in the Beech Creek area. 

John Clayborn md Cynthia Ann Inman.  They had 3 daughters and she died.  About a year later he married Phoebe Caroline Denton.  They had 4 children together-3 boys and a girl. 

The Wayne/Perry county lines shifted back and forth through the years, so one year they are in the Perry county census and I don't know if that is because the line moved or they did. 

I talked to a Womack researcher years ago and they had no knowletge of a son for Lucinda Womack named Laney.  So I also believe there are 2 Claiborne Piggs.  The progression I think is logical for this one is bn Virginia, 1810 Surry County North Carolina census (I have seen the extract for this one but not the actual census) because John Holder is also listed there. 

Then, if it is the same one--Smith co. Tenn in 1820, Maury in 1830, Marshall in 1840 (Marshall made from Maury co, so did the boundaries move or did he?), and then to 1850 in Wayne. 

Would LOVE to be involved in the discussions for this family, as we (2 generations now) have been searching for them for years.

Comment by Rosemary Taylor on October 21, 2014 at 9:36pm

Pigg is a difficult name to research.  Some of the family changed their names, or there were several Pigg with the same names with almost the same birth date.  I have been attempting to research as many of the Pigg families as I can find and attach them to my Pigg Family Tree at Ancestry.com with documents for proof.  See link for Clayborn Pigg:  http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/14759069/person/1051698389 .

Unfortunately there is a time period after the Revolutionary War and before 1820, when documents are missing, lost, or did not ever exist.

I descend from Lucinda Womack and a younger Clayborn Pigg, who disappeared about 1838.  He was on the 1830 Indiana Census along with brother James, so he is definitely not the same Clayborn Pigg as yours, who was in Maury County, Tennessee in 1830.  Lucinda Womack Pigg married several times, lived to around one hundred, and died in Indiana.  She had probably lived in Warren County, Tennessee when young, and met her husband there.  I am sure your older Claiborne Pigg is related to mine, but I am not entirely sure how.  I made an educated guess as to how he was related and stuck him on my tree, but this might be changed if new documents are found.  There is a man named Clabon Pigg in 1810, Surry, North Carolina.  He was age 26-44 (born between 1766 -1784).  My branch of the Pigg family tends to claim him as the younger Clayborn on census, but I have always thought this man might be too old to be mine, and more likely to be the Clayborne you are researching.  The Clayborn Pigg in White County TN in the 1820's is mine, with his brother James.  There are court records there.

On Clayborne Pigg's marriage to Fanny Holder -  He is on census in Maury County, TN in 1830, showing a wife and children.  I have the marriage date posted on my tree.  I have NOT seen the marriage document!  Fanny was too young to be the mother of some of Clayborn's children.  There are not good documents for this family.  I am not sure where I got the marriage date, as I have had this date for a long time.  It needs to be verified.

If Clayborn Pigg was the age note on census, he may have had more children when he was younger.  I don't think you will find birth records in early Tennessee.

I should note there were several men named John Clayborne Pigg, or Clayborne was used as a middle name.  Many of the Pigg family went by their middle names.  This makes research harder. 

We do need to somehow find more documents.

I do not do well talking on the phone.  I prefer email - rkat91@aol.com

Comment by Sam Warren on October 21, 2014 at 6:38am

Sorry my phone number is missing a 1 at the end.  931-446-3781.  i guess i need to find out where Clayborne was in 1816-7 to see if I can find any birth records of Jane Pigg and a brother.  I think I read he was in White County TN before coming to Wayne County where I was born.

Comment by Sam Warren on October 21, 2014 at 6:34am

I would love to talk to you more about about the Holder and Pigg lines.  Very interesting group.  You may call me at 931-446-378 as I live in Maury TN.  If Clayborne married Fanny in Maury County Tennessee in 1830, then she cannot be the mother of Jane Pigg born in 1816-7.  She must be one of the two children from the unknown mother.  That was what I was afraid of as I do not think it was Lucinda Womack.  Jane Pigg married Obediah Webster and were the parents of Sarah Webster who was the mother of Sarah Gordon who was the mother of my grandmother Gnetta Ray Kyle and then thus the mother of my mom.  I am trying to trace my mom's side thru the females but I am finding history was not kind to keeping records of the females.  On the Warren side I have traced it back to the Vikings as that line came from Rollo.  Later his children went to Normandy and controlled the area for many years.  William the Conquer 's sister married the Duke of Warren in England and thus our name Warren.  I would be glad to send our Warren Tree to you(more like a book).

Comment by Rosemary Taylor on October 20, 2014 at 9:55pm

In the 1830 Census of Maury County, Tennessee, John Holder is listed as a head-of-household.  He was between 30 and 39 (b between 1791 and 1800), and his children were under ten.  He was a bit young to be Fanny's father. This is John Holder who was supposed to have married to Elizabeth Smallwood.  So far I have seen no proof of Elizabeth's surname.  I am seeing other information concerning this family that may not be true.  The 1850 Census indicates Fanny was born about 1795, Virginia.  She was likely John Holder's sister, or she was the widow of his brother.  It seems unlikely she first married at age 35.

I have the surname Warren in my tree in other places, in particular, Warren married relatives of Pigg.  How are you related, Sam Warren?

Comment by Rosemary Taylor on October 20, 2014 at 9:10pm

I do not have Fanny Ann Holder's parents.  I wish I did.  I do have a number of their children.  They married 12 July 1830, Maury, TN, and later lived in Wayne County, Tennessee.  I found information that indicates Claybourne was married before Fanny to and unknown woman and had two children.  Are you interested in discussing this?

Comment by Sam Warren on October 20, 2014 at 9:21am

Looking for information on parents of Fanny Ann Holder born 1795 in Virginia and was married to Clayborn Pigg in Maury County TN in ???????

Comment by Rosemary Taylor on February 21, 2011 at 10:27pm

If Sam was a steamboat captain, he should have been living near water.  Was he the Sam living Paduca, KY?  His family was living elsewhere.

There was a Pigg living in the same county as Sam in central Kentucky, but earlier.  He might be related.

 

I should have got back to you earlier, but I was sidetracked.  I did look up Sam, and he is hard to research.  Good luck.

Comment by Stephen Burton on January 15, 2011 at 6:46pm

Rosemary, I have a mystery Pigg in my line, at least to me, his name was Sam Pigg. He is the father of my g-grand mother Cordelia Pigg who married Charles Marshall Ely. I found a reference to him in an obit for my g-great aunt Mittie Vitula Pigg (who also married an Ely by the name of James S. Ely).

 

In the obit Sam Pigg was listed as a steamboat captain and had died in a duel. That has been all that I have found out about him.

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