Jacqueline,

Thanks for posting.  Yes the R1a haplotree is changing.  Your brother's R1a1a has several possibilities with SNP tests.  M458+ can lead to several possibilities with several  additional SNP tests that are associated with additional subgroups. There are haplotypes that have an association with several SNPs that have been deduced from 67 marker results.  The Polish Project at FTDNA has sub types listed in categories with with the Y-DNA results.  You could compare your brothers results to those and see if you have any close matches to figure out if you are associated with any subtype.

I was sort of connected to this group already via FB, but I just became aware of it as a stand-a-lone destination. I am M458 negative, but just discovered this is a subset of M417 or R1a1a1, I think.

The big buzz recently is of L342.2 which I first saw as an Indian subcontinent clade but seems also AJ Levite.

@Mark, this page is separate from the FB page.  Thanks for signing up! 

 M458 is a subset of M417 and being positive for M458 provides with a general geographic origination area of Eastern Europe.  I am also M458- as many non Eastern European R1a1 (even though I have Polish ancestry).  And yes most R1a men are now classified as R1a1a1 if they are at least M417+.  L342 is the new buzz now, but I think there are some more results that are pending  - I am L342-.  I have my own marker L450 (which is way cool) which no one tested yet has come up positive. 

@Jaqueline, thanks and that's great that you have upgraded to 111 markers which will allow you to now look at other databases (that might not be apparent) and check for matches as well.  FTDNA is including markers that other companies have tested but FTDNA does not , until now.  I'll look up your brother's ID and see what's there and get back to you.

@Laurie, if you can provide the Ysearch ID number then I can take look and can take a look.  Thanks! 

Dear Rob,

You being L450 means you "walked the Y" or else somehow got ti from FTDNA?

Mark,

I "Walk through the Y" tested and L450 is the only unique mutation they found looking at 180,000 bases on the Y chromosome.

This might be of general interest. From it, however, I look Russian!

From: aklyosov@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [DNA] Walk Through the Y - Looking
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 19:36:05 +0000 (UTC)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39176.1237316601.2246.genealogy-dna@rootsweb.com>
From: Doug McDonald 
 
YCAIIb = 23, 459a = 9 458 = 15 Russian

YCAIIb = 21, 459a = 9 458 = 15 downstream Norse

YCAIIb = 21, 459a = 8 458 = 15 "Somerled" Scots Alexander or MacAllister

YCAIIb = 21, 459a = 8 458 = 16 "MacDonald"

Most people would not go through with it even if they could afford it, unless they had a group to sponsor the research and a good sized pool of "like" DNA to draw from.

The email date is march 2009 and i am reading a detailed blog post about clan donald markers at this very moment. Dr. Doug McDonald is a Chem Prof but very interested in genomics and personally through computers test people who send him data from 23andme and other, and he said he was using me as a Scandi control to test for Somerled markers...Viking's enslaved all kinds of people particularly Slav hence the word, so if the ref. below is good they got my person in Russia, but integrated him such as he became a well to do Mill owner in Skagen DK by 1875 or so...:)

Sorry folks for the delay.  I compose some answers and comments soon. 

Hi all, I prefer correspoding with you via email, this way I can answer questions directly.  you can email me at robert_sliwinski@sbcglobal.net.

I've already corresponded with Laurie.  Mark, Does R1a.org place you as Young Scandinavian?  Somerled's group may have originated from this migration of Vikings from Norway. 

Jacqueline, DNA results that are exact matches or close matches up to three steps away are useful for finding family, but anything further goes way back into history where finding a common ancestor may be impossible.  Email me and we'll take a closer look at the Y-DNA results you wish to find out more about.

My brother has tested into the R1a1a haplogroup as well as a distant cousin, and our name is Taylor.  Our earliest known ancestor was Mathew Taylor, A Scottish Covenantor, who settled in Londonderry (then Nutfield) New Hampshire in about 1722.  He and his bride came from the vicinity of Londonderry, Ireland and makes references to his forebears being from Scotland but no specific place was named.  I would be most interested to follow a group of the Taylor surname within this haplogroup, from Scotland.

well almost forgot about this group, Dr, McD confirmed some S. Asian DNA on chromo 7, but I am now "Old Scandinavian" being pos. for Z287 ans Z288 I think.

There is a very good R1a1a chart on FTDNA R1a1a and subgroups. I tried to paste it here but failed. Perhaps you can copy and paste it here.

I have just been tested at 37 markers as R1a1a, one of around 10 Fergusons on FT-DNA with this group, and the only one whose known ancestors (back to 1766) are English.

Currently awaiting the outcome of an upgrade to 67 markers.

Sorry folks! I need to get back into this site again and answer your questions as best as I can.  I do suggest that if you are R1a that you should check out R1a1a and Subclades at FTDNA becuase they have a number of SNP's (single mutations) to test for to determine your subclade or subgroup!  Plus they are providing geographical and ancestral group connections.  here is the link http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx

True the Y DNA projects seem to be making discoveries, in part because individuals are interested enough to do the "walk the Y" or whatever it is called, I might be mistaken, but in this case it seems almost the amateurs are trumping scientist for discoveries; it seems fully confirmed "Old Scandinavian" Y haplogroup holder, like myself might be less than 10-20.

I'm Andre Hammann from Brazil, my Y-DNA Haplogroup is R1a1a, my ancestors were originally from a village near Breslau (Wroclow) called Waltersdorf, Silesia, Prussia. They were german speaking immigrants, named Wilhelm Hamann and his wife Pauline Graupe from Klopschen, Liegnitz, also Silesia.

It is curious to know that even thinking that my ancestors were german, because they spoke german and have german lastname "Hamann", in real that are from slavic ancestral origin, something that I found out after doing my Y-DNA test. And the region they were from was always a german-polish bordery change, it reflects exactly from were they were from.

I'm interested to learn more about Y-DNA results, I still researching about my ancestors back to Silesia.

Have a great day!

A. Hammann

Hello Andre, I suggest that you have some SNP tests done, if you have not already to determine which branch of R1a1a you are in.  Some R1a1a's are not Slavic.  If you test positive for marker L458 then you are truly central/eastern European.  Here is the link to the R1a1a and subclades project at FTDNA.  If you tested with them then join the group.  http://www.familytreedna.com/public/R1a/default.aspx

If not, then get back to me.