You found the first son of Jan and Mayken Sol!! This man Johannes was a printer in Leiden, and the way I read the literature he died in a tragic house fire about 1618/9,probably in Leiderdorf next to Leiden....
The family of Jan and Mayken (Labis/Labus) Sol were:
Geertude bap. 1590
Johannes bap. 1591
Sara bap 1593
Maria bap. 1596
Johanna bap. 1597
Pieter (twin?) bap. 1599
Susanna (twin?) bap. 1599
Gorg/George?? b. ca 1601??
another son ?? b. ca 1603??
I am looking for proof of the last son, George, who left Leiden 1620. Is there some easy way to look for more records on the witness in the marriage license: Emanuel Rijpa????Is this a Dutch or French or German surname?
By the way the 1926 book "A contribution to the...genealogy of the families named Sole, Solly, Soule, Sowle, Soulis..." is available for $6.99 on ebay for anyone researching these names.
Not been busy on this, I have a good memory of my research.
I just returned from Georgia and catching up with all the emails.
On Google books you must have read this book "The marriage, baptismal and burial registers, 1571-1874, and monumental inscriptions of the Dutch Reformed Church, Austin Friars, London: with a short account of the strangers and their churches" by Moens
Look at the following pages
Saal 11,133,209
Sollot 208,209, 211
Solen XXIII should interest you
Solijns 143
Solly 170, 203
Souwle 15
DNA and having one donate it is tricky. Some people hold this closer to them more than there birth and credit information. First is to find some Sol's!
Patrick Sol writes the following and may be joining us soon,
I'm from Almere in the netherlands.
There is a Central buro of genealogie in the netherlands were a discription of the wapen comes from.
a shield with a five leaf krown on top of it and three oak nuts with to leafs each on the shield.
I don't know the collors beacouse its from a seal
I could join,I don't know very little from my familie and want to learn about it.
I've read it comes from zoll,sollie,solt, zolt
regards,
Patrick Sol
Maybe Patrick has a picture of this seal. Quite often seals have lines (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) , dots, crosshatching marks that denote colors. Maybe we can also obtain who the seal belonged to a time period with a little research.
Good news!! Perhaps Patrick Sol can join us here. I would like to see his Sol lineage, or as far back as he can go....perhaps he could share this information off line I am at lwthroop {at} aol {dot} com
I have about 3 generations of material I have compiled from the records indexed in Haarlem: which brings us down to about 1725......now if Patrick can get his lineage back to 1850 and earlier!!
By the way, if you want an easy translation, go to "google translation" on the internet, and copy in the passage to be translated.....and you will get an instant translation to the language of your choice!!
So Patrick can put in his message in Dutch or French, and we can get a google translation......isn't the internet helpful??
Now this is getting interesting since you mentioned Haarlem. I will send your comment and email to someone who is intersted somewhat in Sol and in the crest Patrick describes along with your email. I have asked him to join us here as well. I also emailed another Sol I found.
It did sound like Patrick is starting out because he state he does not know much and wants to learn more.
Do your any the Sol's have a connection with van Ravens?
Well, it would help for Patrick to do a Y-DNA test.....and see what matches he gets! If he goes to familytreedna {dot} com and puts SOULE into the query box, he can order a kit on the group rate....and since that is my project, I can find payment for the Y-DNA37 test.......so the test is essentially free to Patrick (except for postage). Please tell him that there are a whole bunch of descendants in North America who will be very happy to find a [very!] distant relative in Europe!!
I would jump at the chance of a FREE DNA test. Some people do not share the same feelings, and look at DNA test as invasion of privacy or suspect he info may be used without there knowledge and who knows what else. We have to let Patrick or any other "Soule/Sol" decide without pressure.
Have we established if Soul/Soule/Sole/Sol/Sowle/Sowell/Saul/Solle/Soley/Solis are same the family or several completely unrelated families?
The Y-DNA test is a look at 37 (or more, depending on the test) locations on the man's Y-chromosome. These locations have nothing to do with genetically determined conditions. They are known as 'junk' DNA spots with no link to anything a doctor or insurance company might be interested in.
At each location the chemical repeats are counted, and a number results which is usually on the order of 6 to 30. I visualize each spot as looking like a Christmas bow---the kind with many loops. So count the loops and you get a number.
Since a man gets his Y-chromosome from his father, and his father gets it from his father, etc.....you can reach back into time on the male lineage even if you do not have paper proof of the name or birth/death date of that ancestor. A match with another man means that you both descend from a common male ancestor, but the name and dates of that man are not given by a Y-DNA test. A match to someone tells you that that man is a cousin, or other closer relative. The better the match, the closer the relationship.
Y-DNA tests are now used to identify different branches of an old, extended family. It often happens that a younger son migrated afar and his descendants have a tradition of descent from some known person in history....in this case, a Y-DNA test can confirm the family tradition (provided there are male descendants in both branches of the family who do a Y-DNA test).
The Y-DNA test also can tell you which part of the family of man you descend from...on the male lineage. There are two main groups found commonly in Europe. Ultimately, all the different branches of the family of man came from some core families in Africa.....in about 6 different locations in Africa about 100,000 years ago. There is a National Geographic website that describes the migrations of the branches of the family of man.
As for the multiple surnames [Soul/Soule/Sole/Sol/Sowle/Sowell/Saul/Solle/Soley/Solis].....there are probably multiple ancestries, for several reasons. Here are a few reasons:
1. phonetically similar surnames get spelled alike. I hear there was a German 'Sohl' man in Holland about 1800 and his surname is now spelled 'Sol'
2. some families shorten their surname when they come to a new area: thus I understand Solbol became Sol in Holland
3. in England I suspect the dry English humor was used when naming an orphaned child......read the novel "Oliver Twist" by Dickens.....so the single orphan was just one person, so given the surname "Sole'
4. there is a recent book on the Sewall family.....which has a totally different Y-DNA from the Soule Y-DNA With more Y-DNA testing, we will be able to separate the families that researchers in the early 1900s bunched together! [and that includes the Soule/Soles/etc book for 1925]
I hope to get these volumes of "Returns of Aliens dwelling in London ...." any day now. Have you seen these volumes? The Index is available online in Google Books only.
Looking at the index again I see my family possibly under Saal, Sull, Sewall etc.... so many. I will scan everything close to it and create a private photo album so you can view these pages that may interest you.
You said you wrote a report on Soule history. Is it availabe to view online? Where can I read this?
Hi,here i am!
You don't have to translate anything.
I read and write English.
Is it possible to send me the tree line you found so far from the sol familie.
Then i can look if there is a match somewhere.
By the way,i don't have a copy of the wax seal because you have to buy that.
On the same site there are some links to names you can look at.
Maybe it matches with something you already found
Welcome to the group.
I am on the east coast and Louise is on the west coast (I think) so it maybe several hours before we here from her. She has the Sol information.
I am sure you can get a lot from genlias.nl to build your tree.
CBG.nl has info on Solbol family and arms in Muschart collection say one lion. ( a photocopy of that would be nice for the rest of the information colors, where he saw it, and family member who had it) (2 Muschart collection in South Africa may contain additional information)
Do you know of any Sol family members researching Sol family.
Also last wednesday on Dutch channel 2 (tealac) was a beginning of a series of genealogy and how to study family history. It mention my van Soldt/Solt family 3 times briefly. I expect they will use the research that has been done on my family more as the series goes on. It would be great if we find a common relationship between Sol, Soule, and "van Soldt/Solt's"! I will try my best to help you in your quest.
By the way how did you find me? I have made so many request and posts!
I was surfing the net lokking at genealogy sites and found a post from you looking for somone named Sol.
I don't know what site it was.
But it was the first time i found someone looking for the name Sol
Patrick,
Welcome to this group! I am delighted to hear from you. And I have a few comments, which pertain to genealogy research for relatives in the 1900s.
1. Can you get a copy of the death certificate for your Sol grandfather?......in the USA the states are starting to raise the fee for a certificate ($20 was the last I heard), so you might save money by getting the certificate now...
2. Any chance that your family is not forthcoming about your Sol parentage because of a hidden adoption? If such is a possibility, then perhaps there might be local adoption records.
3. Do you have Sol cousins? Information on your father's siblings or your grandfather's siblings could be useful to your search. Perhaps they had the same occupation, etc. And there is the possibility that someone somewhere has a Bible record of the family.
4. Death certificates are the anchor of your research, as they usually give the parents' names. Can you get copies of your father's death certificate, and your grandfather's death certificate?
The Sol records I have are from the index of records from Haarlem (on microfilm). They get us down about 3 generations to about 1700-25. So we need to get your Sol lineage back to about 1725 before we can be certain of any connection to the Sol family of Haarlem. I am told there are two other Sol families in Holland.....so you have a 1 in 3 chance right now of connection to the Haarlem family!
I would like to offer you a free Y-DNA test, which will help us as more men get tested....(well, it is free because you are a Sol, but you will have to pay postage). A mailing address is needed; contact me at lwthroop{at}aol{dot}com if you are interested. I would also like to test one of your Sol cousins (second cousin would be ideal)...also a free test to him.....
It is actually quite important to have you and a relative do the Y-DNA test....so that a matching of test results will point back to a common recent ancestor.
I look forward to a long conversation on your genealogy research.
I'm sure that nobody in my family is adopted.
My fathers name is Johannes Hendrikus Ernst Sol
Can you send me a copy of the family tree you found ?
Maybe i see something i know from somthing i heard in the past.
send it to a different email adres(pesol@hotmail.com) or put in on this board to read it
greetz
Patrick
Yes, there is a Y-DNA project housed with FamilyTreeDNA (FTDNA) with about 30 Soule/Soles/Sowl men who have tested. About two-thirds of them are identical......so since they all descend from the common recent ancestor, George Soule of the Mayflower in 1620, we can deduce the Y-DNA pattern for this George.
FTDNA has many family projects, and in the past 9 years some 500,000 tests have been done. Test kits can be ordered on their website, and it helps to go through a family group as then you get the 'group' rate for the test. Anyone who wants can order by putting SOULE in the query box, and thus get the group rate. There are also geographic projects as well as surname projects, so one can migrate his test results to one other project with FTDNA.....you are allowed to list with two projects with FTDNA.
Once your test results come back from the lab, which takes 6-8 weeks, then FTDNA will give you a listing of matches. It help to do the three panel Y-DNA37 test with 37 spots tested as the first panel or Y-DNA12 test only does 12 spots on the Y chromosome and yields a lot of unuseful matches.
My hope is to locate several Sol men and see if any match the known Y-DNA pattern from George Soule descendants. It takes two men who match to identify the Y-DNA pattern for their family......for example, two van Zwoll men in North America have tested and are essentially identical in test results, which proves that they descend from the same distant ancestor in Holland!
I understand there are about 1200 telephone listings in Holland for Sol. So my challenge is how to find a couple of men for Y-DNA testing!!!
I just woke up 2 am here in the morning but going back to bed.
Check out Moens book "The marriage, baptismal and burial registers, 1571-1874, and monumental inscriptions of the Dutch Reformed Church, Austin Friars, London: with a short account of the strangers and their churches" free in GOOGLE BOOKS online.
The name Labus bothered me. Seen it one other place with a Solt-Bommel, Solt-Brommel, or Solt-Brugge(s/n). My personal papers are in europe to help for a book with the Soldt/Solt/Sold families. I was told that the hyphenated Solts were not connected to date.
Titel Genealogie Zoll-Sol, 1732-1995
Auteur R. Sol
Uitgever s.n., 1997
Lengte 134 pagina's
I ve read the comments you were talking about google books.
There is a book written about Zoll-sol familie.
There is no example on google books so i will try to find a copy somewere in a book store.
I wil let you know if i found one.
Yes the book called "Genealogie Zoll-Sol, 1732-1995" by R . Sol in 1997
The Publisher Rienbek-may have a copy
A copy is at the University of Groningen
Only a limited number published
Checking my connections for you.
There is also a copy in Den Haag at the Central Bureau of Genealogie
If you go can you get photocopies of the following (5) from the Muschart collection
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Zoll, van
53I: Twee leeuwen
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Sol
88A: Monogram, letters door of naast elkaar
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Sol, van
12H: Gevierendeeld: 1+4 palen (inclusief vairpalen)
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Solbol
52A: Een leeuw
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Soll
19IJ:
There is no copy of the book.
They replied on my email and said its just registered there that it exists.
I will check out some second hand bookstores.
I'm waiting now for the reply from the registers at Amsterdam.
There are some listings from the Sol Familie.
But they are not digitalised yet.
I've filled in a form to let them digitalize the birth documents and burriel docs.
So i can see on line if there is someone from my familie on it.
I have to go there myself to find out why the documents about my grandfather are hidden.
The only documents you cant see are those frome people who are still alive.
And he's dead for at least 40 years!??
I don't know what happened in the past but I am very interested now because the never talked about him in the famili as wel.
Was your grandfather buried? Can you visit the cemetery? In the USA, the cemetery office often has more information than the death certificate. Or was your grandfather cremated?
there is a compleet register.
the cards and registrations from the cementery are also there.
the problem is that is name is in the list but the information is blocked.
from my grandmother i can see, date of birth,date of death,date of buriel and here grave number.
it says also that she's married to him.
but from him there is just only his name.
i don't think he's cremated because it was not the usual thing in those days.
all the information is brought together in the civil registers from Amsterdam.
and only if there is something special about him,then the information is blocked or you must be still alive.
and thats impossible.........i think
if not..........then there is a real big lie in the familie!
they said he died from leaks in his digestive system......
if he's still alive he must be about 97 years old.
i'm just thinking out loud now
its possible....
Your primary goal is to learn the names of your grandfather's parents.....which might be in the cemetery records, or his death certificate.
Perhaps a personal visit to the cemetery office would help? Also, if he died from "leaks" in his digestive system, that implies he died in a hospital......does the cemetery know which hospital?
These ideas may be totally off base, but here goes: if he had ulcers from heavy drinking, perhaps the family did not want to admit his alcohol habit. Or, perhaps he was committed to a mental hospital and died there? Soldiers who were wounded could become addicted to their pain medicine and could live in a mental hospital......not something the family would want to talk about......are there veteran's hospital records??
Or is it possible your grandfather was seen as a supporter of the Germans during World War II?? Did he see service in any military force, German or Dutch?
Sometimes nothing works but visiting the graves. You have the grave number for your grandmother....with any luck, your grandfather is buried next to her! When you visit the graves, remember to to take digital pictures. Then you can post the tombstone pictures on findagrave.com [also a picture of the entrance to the cemetery with the cemetery name]
And then hope a cousin finds your pictures on findagrave.com!!
hi there,
I'm getting within the next week or so the copy off the wax seal from the sol Familie.
When i get it i will send a copy to you
best regards and a happy newyear.
Patrick Sol
They make a reference to the book "Genealogie Zoll-Sol" as a source of information. Maybe worth checking out. Very surprised that both Gronigen Universtiy and the CBG list the book but do not carry it?
Ihave checked it already.
they only mention it because it exists they say.
they don't have a copy they said.
if they had the book i could have got a copy from it.
so thats a dead end for now
Basically 3 acorns (2 top, 1 bottom) pointing up with a leaf of each side of the acorns. With 5 leaf crown overall. It confused me when you said on each leaf. I think this interesting because I think I have seen these arms! I will start researching my collection of books and materials. I have no luck in finding Sol-Zoll Genealogie yet!
Thats allright, translating heraldry may confuse people in thier own language.
Hopefully when you send the scan I will be able to make our lines that denote colors. I see raised dots so I believe you Sol wax seal has a field color of Gold(background).
This is what the Solle seal or Zegel should look like when it is rediscovered. The colors are to be derermined when the seal is found, the blackend portion is what should be raised from the seal. The Mill Rind may be a different style also, but basically lool like this.
The link here on top i just found !
I don't have pay pal.
I think that if you pay the amount you can get the picture.
There are some weapons with the name sol in the list.
You can see them a litle.
I have every arms from these books from the 1600s.
I am just starting to go through them. I will send any of them that you want but remember there are over 100,000 arms to go through. I will collect all Sol and variants and put them in a photo album. I have the page with "Sold" arms from Alsace already.
Armando Framarini
Groom Johannes Sol Haerlem Leyden letterzetter
Bride Aeltgen Jacobs Leyden
Place Leiden
Date of license 02-01-1616
Remarks Getuigen bruidegom: Emanuel Rijpa bekende - Getuigen bruid: Janneken Coenraedts moeder -
Nov 28, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
The family of Jan and Mayken (Labis/Labus) Sol were:
Geertude bap. 1590
Johannes bap. 1591
Sara bap 1593
Maria bap. 1596
Johanna bap. 1597
Pieter (twin?) bap. 1599
Susanna (twin?) bap. 1599
Gorg/George?? b. ca 1601??
another son ?? b. ca 1603??
I am looking for proof of the last son, George, who left Leiden 1620. Is there some easy way to look for more records on the witness in the marriage license: Emanuel Rijpa????Is this a Dutch or French or German surname?
thanks for your help.....
Nov 29, 2009
Armando Framarini
Nov 29, 2009
Armando Framarini
Nov 29, 2009
Armando Framarini
I just returned from Georgia and catching up with all the emails.
On Google books you must have read this book "The marriage, baptismal and burial registers, 1571-1874, and monumental inscriptions of the Dutch Reformed Church, Austin Friars, London: with a short account of the strangers and their churches" by Moens
Look at the following pages
Saal 11,133,209
Sollot 208,209, 211
Solen XXIII should interest you
Solijns 143
Solly 170, 203
Souwle 15
DNA and having one donate it is tricky. Some people hold this closer to them more than there birth and credit information. First is to find some Sol's!
Nov 30, 2009
Armando Framarini
Having the message translated by my friend since I do not read dutch.
Will ask the to join our group, and find there location and where family is from.
Dec 3, 2009
Armando Framarini
I'm from Almere in the netherlands.
There is a Central buro of genealogie in the netherlands were a discription of the wapen comes from.
a shield with a five leaf krown on top of it and three oak nuts with to leafs each on the shield.
I don't know the collors beacouse its from a seal
I could join,I don't know very little from my familie and want to learn about it.
I've read it comes from zoll,sollie,solt, zolt
regards,
Patrick Sol
Maybe Patrick has a picture of this seal. Quite often seals have lines (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) , dots, crosshatching marks that denote colors. Maybe we can also obtain who the seal belonged to a time period with a little research.
Dec 3, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
I have about 3 generations of material I have compiled from the records indexed in Haarlem: which brings us down to about 1725......now if Patrick can get his lineage back to 1850 and earlier!!
Dec 3, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
So Patrick can put in his message in Dutch or French, and we can get a google translation......isn't the internet helpful??
Dec 3, 2009
Armando Framarini
It did sound like Patrick is starting out because he state he does not know much and wants to learn more.
Do your any the Sol's have a connection with van Ravens?
Dec 3, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Dec 3, 2009
Armando Framarini
Have we established if Soul/Soule/Sole/Sol/Sowle/Sowell/Saul/Solle/Soley/Solis are same the family or several completely unrelated families?
Dec 3, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
At each location the chemical repeats are counted, and a number results which is usually on the order of 6 to 30. I visualize each spot as looking like a Christmas bow---the kind with many loops. So count the loops and you get a number.
Since a man gets his Y-chromosome from his father, and his father gets it from his father, etc.....you can reach back into time on the male lineage even if you do not have paper proof of the name or birth/death date of that ancestor. A match with another man means that you both descend from a common male ancestor, but the name and dates of that man are not given by a Y-DNA test. A match to someone tells you that that man is a cousin, or other closer relative. The better the match, the closer the relationship.
Y-DNA tests are now used to identify different branches of an old, extended family. It often happens that a younger son migrated afar and his descendants have a tradition of descent from some known person in history....in this case, a Y-DNA test can confirm the family tradition (provided there are male descendants in both branches of the family who do a Y-DNA test).
The Y-DNA test also can tell you which part of the family of man you descend from...on the male lineage. There are two main groups found commonly in Europe. Ultimately, all the different branches of the family of man came from some core families in Africa.....in about 6 different locations in Africa about 100,000 years ago. There is a National Geographic website that describes the migrations of the branches of the family of man.
Dec 3, 2009
Armando Framarini
Sent you 3 things
Its to bad Soule and Sol groups are not combined,
Dec 3, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
1. phonetically similar surnames get spelled alike. I hear there was a German 'Sohl' man in Holland about 1800 and his surname is now spelled 'Sol'
2. some families shorten their surname when they come to a new area: thus I understand Solbol became Sol in Holland
3. in England I suspect the dry English humor was used when naming an orphaned child......read the novel "Oliver Twist" by Dickens.....so the single orphan was just one person, so given the surname "Sole'
4. there is a recent book on the Sewall family.....which has a totally different Y-DNA from the Soule Y-DNA With more Y-DNA testing, we will be able to separate the families that researchers in the early 1900s bunched together! [and that includes the Soule/Soles/etc book for 1925]
Dec 3, 2009
Armando Framarini
Dec 3, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Dec 3, 2009
Armando Framarini
You said you wrote a report on Soule history. Is it availabe to view online? Where can I read this?
Dec 3, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
You don't have to translate anything.
I read and write English.
Is it possible to send me the tree line you found so far from the sol familie.
Then i can look if there is a match somewhere.
By the way,i don't have a copy of the wax seal because you have to buy that.
On the same site there are some links to names you can look at.
Maybe it matches with something you already found
Dec 4, 2009
Armando Framarini
I am on the east coast and Louise is on the west coast (I think) so it maybe several hours before we here from her. She has the Sol information.
I am sure you can get a lot from genlias.nl to build your tree.
CBG.nl has info on Solbol family and arms in Muschart collection say one lion. ( a photocopy of that would be nice for the rest of the information colors, where he saw it, and family member who had it) (2 Muschart collection in South Africa may contain additional information)
Do you know of any Sol family members researching Sol family.
Also last wednesday on Dutch channel 2 (tealac) was a beginning of a series of genealogy and how to study family history. It mention my van Soldt/Solt family 3 times briefly. I expect they will use the research that has been done on my family more as the series goes on. It would be great if we find a common relationship between Sol, Soule, and "van Soldt/Solt's"! I will try my best to help you in your quest.
By the way how did you find me? I have made so many request and posts!
Dec 4, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
I don't know what site it was.
But it was the first time i found someone looking for the name Sol
Dec 4, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Welcome to this group! I am delighted to hear from you. And I have a few comments, which pertain to genealogy research for relatives in the 1900s.
1. Can you get a copy of the death certificate for your Sol grandfather?......in the USA the states are starting to raise the fee for a certificate ($20 was the last I heard), so you might save money by getting the certificate now...
2. Any chance that your family is not forthcoming about your Sol parentage because of a hidden adoption? If such is a possibility, then perhaps there might be local adoption records.
3. Do you have Sol cousins? Information on your father's siblings or your grandfather's siblings could be useful to your search. Perhaps they had the same occupation, etc. And there is the possibility that someone somewhere has a Bible record of the family.
4. Death certificates are the anchor of your research, as they usually give the parents' names. Can you get copies of your father's death certificate, and your grandfather's death certificate?
The Sol records I have are from the index of records from Haarlem (on microfilm). They get us down about 3 generations to about 1700-25. So we need to get your Sol lineage back to about 1725 before we can be certain of any connection to the Sol family of Haarlem. I am told there are two other Sol families in Holland.....so you have a 1 in 3 chance right now of connection to the Haarlem family!
I would like to offer you a free Y-DNA test, which will help us as more men get tested....(well, it is free because you are a Sol, but you will have to pay postage). A mailing address is needed; contact me at lwthroop{at}aol{dot}com if you are interested. I would also like to test one of your Sol cousins (second cousin would be ideal)...also a free test to him.....
It is actually quite important to have you and a relative do the Y-DNA test....so that a matching of test results will point back to a common recent ancestor.
I look forward to a long conversation on your genealogy research.
Louise
Dec 4, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
My fathers name is Johannes Hendrikus Ernst Sol
Can you send me a copy of the family tree you found ?
Maybe i see something i know from somthing i heard in the past.
send it to a different email adres(pesol@hotmail.com) or put in on this board to read it
greetz
Patrick
Dec 6, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
FTDNA has many family projects, and in the past 9 years some 500,000 tests have been done. Test kits can be ordered on their website, and it helps to go through a family group as then you get the 'group' rate for the test. Anyone who wants can order by putting SOULE in the query box, and thus get the group rate. There are also geographic projects as well as surname projects, so one can migrate his test results to one other project with FTDNA.....you are allowed to list with two projects with FTDNA.
Once your test results come back from the lab, which takes 6-8 weeks, then FTDNA will give you a listing of matches. It help to do the three panel Y-DNA37 test with 37 spots tested as the first panel or Y-DNA12 test only does 12 spots on the Y chromosome and yields a lot of unuseful matches.
My hope is to locate several Sol men and see if any match the known Y-DNA pattern from George Soule descendants. It takes two men who match to identify the Y-DNA pattern for their family......for example, two van Zwoll men in North America have tested and are essentially identical in test results, which proves that they descend from the same distant ancestor in Holland!
I understand there are about 1200 telephone listings in Holland for Sol. So my challenge is how to find a couple of men for Y-DNA testing!!!
Dec 6, 2009
Armando Framarini
Dec 7, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Louise
Dec 7, 2009
Armando Framarini
Check out Moens book "The marriage, baptismal and burial registers, 1571-1874, and monumental inscriptions of the Dutch Reformed Church, Austin Friars, London: with a short account of the strangers and their churches" free in GOOGLE BOOKS online.
The name Labus bothered me. Seen it one other place with a Solt-Bommel, Solt-Brommel, or Solt-Brugge(s/n). My personal papers are in europe to help for a book with the Soldt/Solt/Sold families. I was told that the hyphenated Solts were not connected to date.
Dec 8, 2009
Armando Framarini
Dec 8, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
Auteur R. Sol
Uitgever s.n., 1997
Lengte 134 pagina's
I ve read the comments you were talking about google books.
There is a book written about Zoll-sol familie.
There is no example on google books so i will try to find a copy somewere in a book store.
I wil let you know if i found one.
Dec 12, 2009
Armando Framarini
The Publisher Rienbek-may have a copy
A copy is at the University of Groningen
Only a limited number published
Checking my connections for you.
Dec 12, 2009
Armando Framarini
If you go can you get photocopies of the following (5) from the Muschart collection
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Zoll, van
53I: Twee leeuwen
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Sol
88A: Monogram, letters door of naast elkaar
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Sol, van
12H: Gevierendeeld: 1+4 palen (inclusief vairpalen)
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Solbol
52A: Een leeuw
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Soll
19IJ:
Dec 12, 2009
Armando Framarini
Dec 14, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
They replied on my email and said its just registered there that it exists.
I will check out some second hand bookstores.
Dec 15, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
There are some listings from the Sol Familie.
But they are not digitalised yet.
I've filled in a form to let them digitalize the birth documents and burriel docs.
So i can see on line if there is someone from my familie on it.
I have to go there myself to find out why the documents about my grandfather are hidden.
The only documents you cant see are those frome people who are still alive.
And he's dead for at least 40 years!??
I don't know what happened in the past but I am very interested now because the never talked about him in the famili as wel.
I let you people know when i found something
Dec 15, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Dec 15, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
the cards and registrations from the cementery are also there.
the problem is that is name is in the list but the information is blocked.
from my grandmother i can see, date of birth,date of death,date of buriel and here grave number.
it says also that she's married to him.
but from him there is just only his name.
i don't think he's cremated because it was not the usual thing in those days.
all the information is brought together in the civil registers from Amsterdam.
and only if there is something special about him,then the information is blocked or you must be still alive.
and thats impossible.........i think
if not..........then there is a real big lie in the familie!
they said he died from leaks in his digestive system......
if he's still alive he must be about 97 years old.
i'm just thinking out loud now
its possible....
Dec 15, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Perhaps a personal visit to the cemetery office would help? Also, if he died from "leaks" in his digestive system, that implies he died in a hospital......does the cemetery know which hospital?
These ideas may be totally off base, but here goes: if he had ulcers from heavy drinking, perhaps the family did not want to admit his alcohol habit. Or, perhaps he was committed to a mental hospital and died there? Soldiers who were wounded could become addicted to their pain medicine and could live in a mental hospital......not something the family would want to talk about......are there veteran's hospital records??
Or is it possible your grandfather was seen as a supporter of the Germans during World War II?? Did he see service in any military force, German or Dutch?
Dec 15, 2009
Louise Walsh Throop
Sometimes nothing works but visiting the graves. You have the grave number for your grandmother....with any luck, your grandfather is buried next to her! When you visit the graves, remember to to take digital pictures. Then you can post the tombstone pictures on findagrave.com [also a picture of the entrance to the cemetery with the cemetery name]
And then hope a cousin finds your pictures on findagrave.com!!
Dec 15, 2009
Patrick Edward Sol
I'm getting within the next week or so the copy off the wax seal from the sol Familie.
When i get it i will send a copy to you
best regards and a happy newyear.
Patrick Sol
Jan 1, 2010
Armando Framarini
http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nfb/?naam=Sol
They make a reference to the book "Genealogie Zoll-Sol" as a source of information. Maybe worth checking out. Very surprised that both Gronigen Universtiy and the CBG list the book but do not carry it?
Jan 4, 2010
Patrick Edward Sol
they only mention it because it exists they say.
they don't have a copy they said.
if they had the book i could have got a copy from it.
so thats a dead end for now
Jan 4, 2010
Patrick Edward Sol
I've seen the coat of arms you posted.
Have you seen the foto's from the wax seal yet on my page?
Jan 27, 2010
Patrick Edward Sol
Jan 27, 2010
Armando Framarini
Jan 27, 2010
Patrick Edward Sol
It didn't work.
Its on my home page here on the site
Jan 27, 2010
Armando Framarini
Jan 27, 2010
Patrick Edward Sol
Jan 27, 2010
Armando Framarini
Hopefully when you send the scan I will be able to make our lines that denote colors. I see raised dots so I believe you Sol wax seal has a field color of Gold(background).
This is what the Solle seal or Zegel should look like when it is rediscovered. The colors are to be derermined when the seal is found, the blackend portion is what should be raised from the seal. The Mill Rind may be a different style also, but basically lool like this.
Jan 27, 2010
Patrick Edward Sol
The link here on top i just found !
I don't have pay pal.
I think that if you pay the amount you can get the picture.
There are some weapons with the name sol in the list.
You can see them a litle.
Jan 27, 2010
Armando Framarini
I am just starting to go through them. I will send any of them that you want but remember there are over 100,000 arms to go through. I will collect all Sol and variants and put them in a photo album. I have the page with "Sold" arms from Alsace already.
Jan 27, 2010