Isabelle below is a wife, not dau. of John, Isabelle Taillefer of Angouleme (1188 - 1246) she was also m. to Hugues X 'le Brun' de Lusignan, Comte de La Marche et d'Angoulême & they were parents of
Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291) Isabel de Warren (1260 - 1295)
Melinda, the fun & frustrating part of medieval genealogy is that I am substracting lines more then adding. I am curious for your sources for Gov. Thomas Dudley genealogy. My ex-boss is descended from that line so keep one eye open for that family, although have not really done much on it. Anyway, here are some more takes on his lineage.
> > Questions for the List: > > 1. What is the opinion of this List as to Thomas Dudley's possible link to > > John Sutton, 1st Baron Dudley? Thomas Dudley may also then be a > > descendant of John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley and Cicely Grey (herself a > > granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth Woodville and Sir John Grey). Would this > > be correct, or is it all wrong? It does seem this link between Gov. > > Thomas Dudley & Queen Elizabeth Woodville was mentioned previously on this > > List:
> This link: >
> is a discussion of the line, and to me, is very convincing.
Mr. Curtis' document provides a convenient restatement of the Kelley - Kirk hypothesis, but despite its title no 'proof' was unearthed by Kelley or Kirk or has been found since. Curtis makes much of the fact that Dudley was listed in the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry's _Roll of Arms_, and also that a member of the College of Arms stated, in 1953, that Dudley's use of the differenced Sutton-Dudley coat offered 'inferential proof' of his belonging to that family.
Mr. Curtis has appended to his pdf a 'rebuttal' to some of the posts that appeared here back in 2006 mentioning his summary. In the 'rebuttal' Mr. Curtis states that the herald's 1953 statement about the Dudley arms was "the inspiration for my proof," but there is no independent evidentiary value in what to my mind was a rather careless overstatement by the herald.
> I'm told Marshall Kirk had even more evidence that was never published.
Marshall had continued to compile (in parallel with Mr. Fradd) biographical data on the various principals, some of which could be said to be consistent with the hypothesis, but he had found nothing independently probative.
Hi! I am descended from Eleanor of Aquitane a few different ways, but I'll only post one.
Eleanor of Aquitane- John "Lackland" Plantagenet- Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- Abraham Perkins- Luke Perkins- Hannah Perkins- Sarah Way- Arthur Emmons- Russell Emmons- Philanous Emmons- Amanda Emmons- Minnie Mahala Norris- Leslie John McBride- Celena Marie McBride- my grandmother- my mother- me.
James,
It's been quite a few years since I first found the connection to Eleanor, so I don't really remember how I found it. My research started when I found my grandfather in the Sterling Genealogy and then found family in one of the Kimball genealogy books (I don't recall which one at the moment). From there, I went to Ancestry (through the library I was at) and pulled up the various links that lead to my Kimballs. In the years since then, I haven't worked on those lines, concentrating instead on family in the United States. I can see, though, from your links that there is definitely controversy. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is for my family. I think Eleanor was an incredible person whether or not I'm related, and I'd prefer to believe I am.
Some interesting websites with biographical sketches of Eleanor & genealogies (I am not recommending these sites, just pointing them out, beware if no sources are given, treat them with caution). Couple of sites that have images are interesting but no contemporary picture exists of Eleanor, just her tomb effigy.
How cool is this! Thanks for all the links Jim. These are great to have.
As you said, there are no contemporary pictures of Eleanor, but think there is one object, such as a coin with her on it. And the only relict from her is (I believe) a wedding present that she gave Louis. I can see it in my mind's eye, but am not sure how to describe it. Was it a vase?
Eleanor - Eleanor - Blanche - Louis IX - Philip - Charles - Philip VI - John II of France - Charles V of France - Charles VI - Catherine of Valois - Jasper Tudor - Helen Tudor - Bishop Gardiner - George Gardiner - George Gardiner - Lionel Gardiner - Lion Gardiner - David Gardiner - Elizabeth Gardiner (and her brother David) - David Parshall/Mary Gardiner - David Parshall Jr - James Parshall - David Parshall - Gilbert Parshall - Fred Parshall - Beaulah May Parshall - My dad - Me
I think it would be interesting to develop a bibliography for each person in your lineage, I did sort of start one on Eleanor here, can anyone add to it (book titles or internet links)? How about John "Lackland"?
It would be an interesting project to do, James. And fortunately, there are only about 50 people in each of our lineages. I'm adding the information I gather on my lineage to Eleanor on my own GEDCOM using MyHeritage. I particularly like this program because I can make reports in pdf. This is what I'll most likely send to my 10-year old great niece when I've got it all down. Having all the links and references will be great for her should she ever want to do a report on Eleanor or any of the other people in our tree, she'll have a head start. The best thing is that she's already interested in genealogy. What a great way to get interested in history!
Hello Everyone! I would love to share descendant information and meet new cousins. Here is how I am descended;
Eleanor – John “Lackland” – Henry III – Edmund Plantagenet – Henry Plantagenet – Eleanor Plantagenet - Richard FitzAlan– Elizabeth FitzAlan – Jean Goushill – Katherine Stanley – John Savage – Alice Savage – Margaret Brereton – Ursula Goodman – Roger Mostyn – William Mostyn – Richard Mostyn – Anne Mostyn – Joshua Horton – Thomas Horton – Mary Horton – John Hacket – Constance Hacket – Helena Young – Aileen Seabrooke – My Dad – Me!
Timothy, we're related through John. I recognize some of the other names, too, but they're not names on my tree. Why don't you come by the chat at some point and introduce yourself. If Caren's in at the time, she can set you up so you can add your branch to the Tribal Pages tree we're all adding to. She mentioned that she has to work this weekend and won't be around much, but come on by so we can meet you!
Hi Timothy! I have a couple of questions....We have the same line down to Joan Goushill where I am descended from her daughter Katherine. I see thepeerage.com has a daughter for Joan named Margaret. Is she the same as your Margery Stanley? Thepeerage.com also indicates that Margaret/Margery married William Troutbeck. Is this the same surname as your Thomas Torbock?
Timothy: Welcome to the group. As Melinda said feel free to come into the chatroom and we'll set ya up so you can add your line to the tree we made on tribal pages. :)
James: Same goes for you to add your lines if you want.
I am in the process of reading DEVIL'S BROOD by Alfred Duggan. It is proving very interesting - "The whole pageant and pattern of medieval life unfolds in this history of Henry II and his sons particularly Richard Coeur de Lion and John of Magna Carta fame born of the beautiful and turbulent Eleanor of Aquitaine," (front cover). It is not indexed though, but does include a bibliography and a cool map on the inside covers.
On your tribalpages you have John BOTETOURTE as a s/o of Edward PLANTAGENET, this is apparently in error, see http://www.geneajourney.com/botetrt.html, note "a".
Am just starting the book When Christ and his Saints Slept by Sharon Kay Penman. It is the first in the trilogy of the Plantagenet Family. It deals with King Henry I and his dau. Maude. Penman also has a book titled the Devil's Brood which deals with 'our' Henry II. Will let you know about it.
Her book The Sunne in Spendor, about Edward IV and Richard the third was very interesting and gave me great insight into that time period
Caren, what you told Alexandra about setting something up so she can add her line, well, that's what I was needing before. I still need something set up.
Here is what I have compiled so far as a bibliography for Eleanor, I am sure it is not complete by any means, but hopefully a good start, additions welcomed.
Sketches: THE QUEENS OF ENGLAND FROM THE NORMAN CONQUEST TO THE REIGN OF VICTORIA, by Mary Howitt, rev. by Geneva Armstrong, p.45. THE QUEENS OF ENGLAND AND THEIR TIMES: FROM MATILDA, QUEEN OF WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR TO ADELAIDE, QUEEN OF WILLIAM THE FOURTH, by Francis Lancelott, 2 vls., 1:59. MEDIEVAL LIVES: EIGHT CHARISMATIC MEN AND WOMEN OF THE MIDDLE AGES, by Norman F. Cantor, pp.105-23. NOTORIOUS ROYAL MARRIAGES: A JUCY JOURNEY THROUGH NINE CENTURIES OF DYNASTY, DESTINY, AND DESIRE, by Leslie Carroll, pp.1-24. QUEENS CONSORT: ENGLAND'S MEDIEVAL QUEENS FROM ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE TO ELIZABETH OF YORK, by Lisa Hilton, pp.95-118. QUEENS OF ENGLAND: A SERIES OF PORTRAITS OF DISTINGUISHED FEMALE SOVERIGNS. DRAWN AND ENGRAVED BY EMINENT ARTISTS WITH BIOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL SKETCHES, by Agnes Strickland, pp. 20-29. BRITISH KINGS AND QUEENS, by Mike Ashley, see index. KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND: FROM THE SAXON KINGS TO THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR, by Nigel Cawthorne, see index. THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF ENGLAND, by Ian Crofton, see index. KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND, by Plantagenet Somerset Fry, see index. KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND: A DARK HISTORY, 1066 TO THE PRESENT DAY, by Brenda Ralph Lewis, see index. KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND, by David Piper, p.44, DEBRETT'S KINGS AND QUEENS OF BRITAIN, by David Williamson, see index.
Biographies: ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE, by Alison Weir. ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AND THE FOUR KINGS, by Amy Kelly ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: A BIOGRAPHY, by Marion Meade QUEEN ELEANOR: INDEPENDENT SPIRIT OF THE MEDIEVAL WORLD; A BIOGRAPHY OF ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE, by Polly Schoyer Brooks ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: QUEEN OF FRANCE, QUEEN OF ENGLAND, by Ralph V. Turner ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: MEDIEVAL QUEEN, by Kerrily Sapet ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: THE RICHEST QUEEN IN MEDIEVAL EUROPE, by David Hilliam ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AND THE HIGH MIDDLE AGES, by Nancy Plain THE DIADEMS OF A DUCHESS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE LIFE AND TIMES OF ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE, by Rowena Lee ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE QUEEN OF THE TROUBADOURS AND THE COURTS OF LOVE, by Melrich V. Rosenberg
James: Add 2 more!
To Be Queen: A Novel Of the Early Life of Eleanor of Aquitaine (just came out this month!)
The Queen's Pawn (about Eleanor and Alys, Countess of the Vexin who was to marry Richard the Lionheart at first...this came out last year).
Both of these books are by new author Christy English
Deb, you should be able to access the tribalpages site. It's public with only the living hidden. Also, a bunch of us who are on the tree are often here in the chatroom. Come by and we'll help you out!
Deb, from the looks of it, you're related to Andrew Kolstee, Caren, Cathy Milioto, Maddie, and me, just for starters. In this tree, we only put our direct lineage to Eleanor, so come on by the chat. Caren is related to just about everyone one way or another, so you especially want to look for her. Come on by!
Howdy Deb! Come on by the chat and we'll help ya figure out your royal links and such! :) I've got Jennings ancestry myself and Im related to the Harrison presidents.
ELEANORE OF AQUITAINE, THE MOTHER QUEEN, by Desmond Seward.
ELEANORE OF AQUITAINE, LORD AND LADY, ed. by Bonnie Wheeler & John Carmi Parsons.
Where are the other people who are suppose to be interested in Eleanore? Getting tired of joining these sites, message boards, etc. and only one or two people contribute and the rest take, having no idea about sharing. This is my last contribution till other people join in. Jim.
[My 34th great grandfather on my mother's side/1 of 2 of my Aquitaine lines that go through Queen Eleanor] of Aquitaine, Saint William I Guillame d `Orange son of Aquitaine, Duke Count Bernard I of Septimania son of Aquitaine, Bernard II Plantapilosa Hairyshoot son of Aquitaine, Duke Count Guillame I the Pious son of Aquitaine, Duke Count Guillame II son of Aquitaine, Duke Guillame III son of Aqui...taine, Duke Guillame IV son of Aquitaine, Duke Guillame V son of Aquitaine, Duke Gui Guilliame VIII son of Aquitaine, Duke William IX Troubador de Peitieus son of Aquitaine, Duke William X the Toulousan daughter of Aquitaine, Queen Princess Eleanor son Lackland, King John daughter fitz John, Princess Joan daughter of Wales, Princess Helena daughter of Mar, Lady Isabel Mathilda daughter Bruce, Princess Marjorie son Stuart, King Robert II son Stuart, King Robert III daughter Stuart, Princess Countess Mary daughter Douglas, Elizabeth Mary daughter Forbes, Margaret son Johnstone, James I son Johnstone, James II son Johnstone, Sir Knight James III son Johnstone, John son Johnstone, Planter William daughter Johnstone, Agnes son Knox, Planter James, Sr. son Knox, Planter James, Jr. son Knox, James III son Knox, Samuel daughter Knox, Mary Virginia son Deason, Edward Adelbert son Deason, Sydney Doyle daughter Deason, Barbara Gail daughter Thigpen, Barbara Kim
[This one shows Saint William I Guillame as my 39th great grandfather on my father's side. I haven't finished charting it back to William I. This is 1 of 2 Aquitaine lines which go through Queen Princess Eleanor] of Aquitaine, Queen Eleanore Princess daughter Plantagenet, Eleanor daughter of Castile, Queen Blanche son Capet, King Charles I son Capet, King Charles II daughter di Sicily-Naples, Prin...cess Marguerite daughter Capet de Valois, Countess Jean daughter d` Avesnes, Queen Phillippa son de Lancaster, Duke John `of Gaunt` daughter de Beaufort, Countess Joan daughter Neville, Eleanor son Percy, Knight Sir Ralph son Percy, Peter son Percy or Pierce, Richard son Pierce, Richard daughter Pierce, Constance daughter Holten, Anne son Fitz Pen Phippen Thickpenny, Robert son Fitzpen, Owen son Fitzpen, John son Thigpen, Planter James I son Thigpen, James II son Thigpen, Dr. James III R. son Thigpen, Dr. James IV son Thigpen, Dr. James V son Thigpen, James VI son Thigpen, Ben Ashley son Thigpen, John Allen son Thigpen, Edward Alvin son Thigpen, Hubert Harold daughter Thigpen, Barbara Kim
I have deleted the 1st post. The 2cd is an incomplete list of ancestors of Aquitaine. There are repeats of persons because they are found on different family lines. I have Aquitaine ancestry on maternal & paternal lines; including Eleanor, on both. The 3rd post is a relationship chart from my Tribal Tree on Tribal Pages. I entered William I & then my name. It pulls up everyone in that line, from parent to child; only it doesn't show both parents. I count the number of 'grand's to get the number of generations to William I on any particular line. I only have the persons in that line up to Eleanor, & then added the number from her to him, since I already knew his line.
Sorry, Barbara Kim Thigpen, still don't get it. I am adding in the discussions forum an ahnentafel for Eleanor. Hopefully you can tell me where/if we differ, thanks.
James P. LaLone
Pete, I think you have some typo errors:
John I Lackland Plantagenet (1167 - 1216)
Isabelle below is a wife, not dau. of John,
Isabelle Taillefer of Angouleme (1188 - 1246) she was also m. to Hugues X 'le Brun' de Lusignan, Comte de La Marche et d'Angoulême & they were parents of
Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291)
Isabel de Warren (1260 - 1295)
Agnes Maud Baliol
Catherine Fitzalan (1300 - 1328), see
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140217&tre...
Grey (1319 - 1375)
Matilda Grey (1360 - 1390)
Thomas de Harcourt (1377 - 1420) see
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029034&tre...
Jan 28, 2011
James P. LaLone
Melinda, the fun & frustrating part of medieval genealogy is that I am substracting lines more then adding. I am curious for your sources for Gov. Thomas Dudley genealogy. My ex-boss is descended from that line so keep one eye open for that family, although have not really done much on it. Anyway, here are some more takes on his lineage.
http://www.familypage.org/RogerSonoHenry.pdf
Still more -
More options May 10 2009, 12:25 pm
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
From: Nathaniel Taylor <nltay
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:25:41 -0400
Local: Sun, May 10 2009 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: Thomas Dudley
In article
<7d1805ca-0310-4806-9737-72a79b4ab
joec
> > Questions for the List:
> > 1. What is the opinion of this List as to Thomas Dudley's possible link to
> > John Sutton, 1st Baron Dudley? Thomas Dudley may also then be a
> > descendant of John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley and Cicely Grey (herself a
> > granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth Woodville and Sir John Grey). Would this
> > be correct, or is it all wrong? It does seem this link between Gov.
> > Thomas Dudley & Queen Elizabeth Woodville was mentioned previously on this
> > List:
> This link:
>
> is a discussion of the line, and to me, is very convincing.
Mr. Curtis' document provides a convenient restatement of the Kelley -
Kirk hypothesis, but despite its title no 'proof' was unearthed by
Kelley or Kirk or has been found since. Curtis makes much of the fact
that Dudley was listed in the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry's _Roll of
Arms_, and also that a member of the College of Arms stated, in 1953,
that Dudley's use of the differenced Sutton-Dudley coat offered
'inferential proof' of his belonging to that family.
Mr. Curtis has appended to his pdf a 'rebuttal' to some of the posts
that appeared here back in 2006 mentioning his summary. In the
'rebuttal' Mr. Curtis states that the herald's 1953 statement about the
Dudley arms was "the inspiration for my proof," but there is no
independent evidentiary value in what to my mind was a rather careless
overstatement by the herald.
> I'm told Marshall Kirk had even more evidence that was never published.
Marshall had continued to compile (in parallel with Mr. Fradd)
biographical data on the various principals, some of which could be said
to be consistent with the hypothesis, but he had found nothing
independently probative.
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/e7d5e6dc5fbc46d6/53c0bfa6c46294fc?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=thomas+dudley#53c0bfa6c46294fcJan 28, 2011
Lindsey Wolfgang
Hi! I am descended from Eleanor of Aquitane a few different ways, but I'll only post one.
Eleanor of Aquitane- John "Lackland" Plantagenet- Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- Abraham Perkins- Luke Perkins- Hannah Perkins- Sarah Way- Arthur Emmons- Russell Emmons- Philanous Emmons- Amanda Emmons- Minnie Mahala Norris- Leslie John McBride- Celena Marie McBride- my grandmother- my mother- me.
Jan 28, 2011
Caren
Jan 28, 2011
Lindsey Wolfgang
Jan 28, 2011
James P. LaLone
Lindsay, can you tell me your sources for the following lineage:
Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix-
Thanks, Jim.
Jan 28, 2011
Melinda
It's been quite a few years since I first found the connection to Eleanor, so I don't really remember how I found it. My research started when I found my grandfather in the Sterling Genealogy and then found family in one of the Kimball genealogy books (I don't recall which one at the moment). From there, I went to Ancestry (through the library I was at) and pulled up the various links that lead to my Kimballs. In the years since then, I haven't worked on those lines, concentrating instead on family in the United States. I can see, though, from your links that there is definitely controversy. I'm fine with leaving it the way it is for my family. I think Eleanor was an incredible person whether or not I'm related, and I'd prefer to believe I am.
Jan 28, 2011
Pete Val
James,
Yes Isabelle is supposed to be the wife and be next to John to show the marriage...my mistake. What is wrong with the others?
Peter
Jan 28, 2011
James P. LaLone
Pete,
Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291) is not a daughter of John, therefore your lineage from Eleanor fails at this point.
Jan 28, 2011
Gus Marsh
Here are my descends from Queen Eleanore of Aquitaine
Eleanore of Aquitaine & King Henry II of England
John LackLand & Suzanne de Warren
Richard Fitzroy & Rohesia (Rose) Dover
Richard de Chilham & Maud, Countess of Angus
David Strathbogie & Isabella de Chilham
John Strathbogie & Margaret Mar Coa
David Strathbogie & Joan Comyn
David Strathbogie & Catherine Beaumont
David de Strathbogie & Elizabeth Ferrers
John Scrope & Elizabeth Strathbogie
Thomas Clarell & Elizabeth Scrope
Richard Fitzwilliam & Elizabeth Clarell
William Wentworth & Isabel Fitzwilliam
Thomas Wentworth & Beatrice Woodrow
William Wentworth & Catherine Beeston
Thomas Wentworth & Grace Gascoigne
William Brewster & Mary Wentworth
Love Brewster & Sarah Collier
Benjamin Bartlett & Sarah Brewster
Samuel Bartlett & Hannah Pabodie
Joseph Bartlett & Elizabeth Bartlett
Benjamin Rider & Elizabeth Bartlett
Nathaniel Churchill & Betsy Rider
Nathaniel Churchill & Eunice Kenney
Fredrick J. Whitfield & Susannah Churchill
Charles W. Whitfield & Orpah White
Arthur J. Marsh & Lilian R. Whitfield
Vere P. Marsh & Genevive A. DeNoble
John P. Marsh & Dorothy M. Lange
Me
Jan 29, 2011
James P. LaLone
Some interesting websites with biographical sketches of Eleanor & genealogies (I am not recommending these sites, just pointing them out, beware if no sources are given, treat them with caution). Couple of sites that have images are interesting but no contemporary picture exists of Eleanor, just her tomb effigy.
ELEANORE OF AQUITAINE websiteshttp://thepeerage.com/p10202.htm#i102014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine
http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/heroine2.html
http://womenshistory.about.com/od/medbritishqueens/p/eleanor_aq.htm
http://www.historynet.com/eleanor-of-aquitaine.htm
http://www.french-at-a-touch.com/French_History/eleanor_of_aquitain...
http://www.royalty.nu/Europe/England/Angevin/Eleanor.html
http://web.me.com/markbrand/EOA/Eleanor.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/eleanor_of_aquitaine....
http://departments.kings.edu/womens_history/eleanor.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nwa/aquit.html
http://www.google.com/#q=eleanor+of+aquitaine&hl=en&prmd=iv...
http://www.royalist.info/execute/tree?person=113
http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/of-aquitaine.htm
http://www.gurganus.org/ourfamily/pedigree.cfm?pid=4
http://www.middle-ages.org.uk/eleanor-of-aquitaine.htm
http://www.lynnabbey.com/html/eleanor_of_aquitaine.html
http://humphrysfamilytree.com/Royal/henry.ii.html
http://www.renderplus.com/hartgen/htm/plantagenet_2.htm
http://abernathycat.familytreeguide.com/getperson.php?personID=I300...
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00002952&tre...
http://a.decarne.free.fr/gencar/dat14.htm#34
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE.htm#_Toc276227875
Images:
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=eleanor+of+aquitaine&w...
http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&q=eleanor+of+aquitaine+famil...
Feb 1, 2011
Melinda
How cool is this! Thanks for all the links Jim. These are great to have.
As you said, there are no contemporary pictures of Eleanor, but think there is one object, such as a coin with her on it. And the only relict from her is (I believe) a wedding present that she gave Louis. I can see it in my mind's eye, but am not sure how to describe it. Was it a vase?
Feb 1, 2011
Caren
Eleanor - Eleanor - Blanche - Louis IX - Philip - Charles - Philip VI - John II of France - Charles V of France - Charles VI - Catherine of Valois - Jasper Tudor - Helen Tudor - Bishop Gardiner - George Gardiner - George Gardiner - Lionel Gardiner - Lion Gardiner - David Gardiner - Elizabeth Gardiner (and her brother David) - David Parshall/Mary Gardiner - David Parshall Jr - James Parshall - David Parshall - Gilbert Parshall - Fred Parshall - Beaulah May Parshall - My dad - Me
Feb 3, 2011
James P. LaLone
Another interesting site concerning Henry & Eleanor, well documented.
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/henry002.htmFeb 4, 2011
James P. LaLone
Feb 8, 2011
Melinda
Feb 8, 2011
James P. LaLone
More interesting sites:
http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Henry_II_of_England_%281133-1189%29
http://familypedia.wikia.com/wiki/Eleanor_of_Aquitaine_%281122-1204%29
Feb 12, 2011
Alexandra Hooley
Hello Everyone! I would love to share descendant information and meet new cousins. Here is how I am descended;
Eleanor – John “Lackland” – Henry III – Edmund Plantagenet – Henry Plantagenet – Eleanor Plantagenet - Richard FitzAlan– Elizabeth FitzAlan – Jean Goushill – Katherine Stanley – John Savage – Alice Savage – Margaret Brereton – Ursula Goodman – Roger Mostyn – William Mostyn – Richard Mostyn – Anne Mostyn – Joshua Horton – Thomas Horton – Mary Horton – John Hacket – Constance Hacket – Helena Young – Aileen Seabrooke – My Dad – Me!
Feb 18, 2011
Caren
Feb 18, 2011
Alexandra Hooley
Feb 18, 2011
Melinda
Feb 18, 2011
Melinda
Feb 19, 2011
Alexandra Hooley
Feb 19, 2011
Alexandra Hooley
Feb 20, 2011
Caren
Timothy: Welcome to the group. As Melinda said feel free to come into the chatroom and we'll set ya up so you can add your line to the tree we made on tribal pages. :)
James: Same goes for you to add your lines if you want.
Feb 20, 2011
Heather Christa Justice
I'll be back with my tree soon. For now I can tell you my line starts with the Parkers and Bullers. The Bullers go back to Eleanor.
Feb 23, 2011
James P. LaLone
Apr 17, 2011
James P. LaLone
Another interesting site - descendants & ancestors of Eleanor:
http://www.geneall.net/F/per_page.php?id=103
Apr 20, 2011
James P. LaLone
Caren,
On your tribalpages you have John BOTETOURTE as a s/o of Edward PLANTAGENET, this is apparently in error, see http://www.geneajourney.com/botetrt.html, note "a".
Apr 20, 2011
Heather Christa Justice
Just want to say hi. Been busy. Talk again soon.
Heather.
Pray for us to have rain here in OK.
Apr 20, 2011
Maureen MacDonald
Am just starting the book When Christ and his Saints Slept by Sharon Kay Penman. It is the first in the trilogy of the Plantagenet Family. It deals with King Henry I and his dau. Maude. Penman also has a book titled the Devil's Brood which deals with 'our' Henry II. Will let you know about it.
Her book The Sunne in Spendor, about Edward IV and Richard the third was very interesting and gave me great insight into that time period
Apr 20, 2011
Caren
Apr 20, 2011
Heather Christa Justice
Caren, what you told Alexandra about setting something up so she can add her line, well, that's what I was needing before. I still need something set up.
Thank you
Apr 21, 2011
Caren
Apr 21, 2011
Maureen MacDonald
Caren, are you going to attend the seminare in Tacoma on May 7, at LaQuinta Suites. Laure Prescott is the speaker.
If so, perhaps we could actually meet in person. Maureen
Apr 21, 2011
James P. LaLone
Here is what I have compiled so far as a bibliography for Eleanor, I am sure it is not complete by any means, but hopefully a good start, additions welcomed.
Sketches:THE QUEENS OF ENGLAND FROM THE NORMAN CONQUEST TO THE REIGN OF VICTORIA, by Mary Howitt, rev. by Geneva Armstrong, p.45.
THE QUEENS OF ENGLAND AND THEIR TIMES: FROM MATILDA, QUEEN OF WILLIAM THE CONQUEROR TO ADELAIDE, QUEEN OF WILLIAM THE FOURTH, by Francis Lancelott, 2 vls., 1:59.
MEDIEVAL LIVES: EIGHT CHARISMATIC MEN AND WOMEN OF THE MIDDLE AGES, by Norman F. Cantor, pp.105-23.
NOTORIOUS ROYAL MARRIAGES: A JUCY JOURNEY THROUGH NINE CENTURIES OF DYNASTY, DESTINY, AND DESIRE, by Leslie Carroll, pp.1-24.
QUEENS CONSORT: ENGLAND'S MEDIEVAL QUEENS FROM ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE TO ELIZABETH OF YORK, by Lisa Hilton, pp.95-118.
QUEENS OF ENGLAND: A SERIES OF PORTRAITS OF DISTINGUISHED FEMALE SOVERIGNS. DRAWN AND ENGRAVED BY EMINENT ARTISTS WITH BIOGRAPHICAL AND HISTORICAL SKETCHES, by Agnes Strickland, pp. 20-29.
BRITISH KINGS AND QUEENS, by Mike Ashley, see index.
KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND: FROM THE SAXON KINGS TO THE HOUSE OF WINDSOR, by Nigel Cawthorne, see index.
THE KINGS AND QUEENS OF ENGLAND, by Ian Crofton, see index.
KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND, by Plantagenet Somerset Fry, see index.
KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND: A DARK HISTORY, 1066 TO THE PRESENT DAY, by Brenda Ralph Lewis, see index.
KINGS & QUEENS OF ENGLAND AND SCOTLAND, by David Piper, p.44,
DEBRETT'S KINGS AND QUEENS OF BRITAIN, by David Williamson, see index.
Biographies:
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE, by Alison Weir.
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AND THE FOUR KINGS, by Amy Kelly
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: A BIOGRAPHY, by Marion Meade
QUEEN ELEANOR: INDEPENDENT SPIRIT OF THE MEDIEVAL WORLD; A BIOGRAPHY OF ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE, by Polly Schoyer Brooks
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: QUEEN OF FRANCE, QUEEN OF ENGLAND, by Ralph V. Turner
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: MEDIEVAL QUEEN, by Kerrily Sapet
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE: THE RICHEST QUEEN IN MEDIEVAL EUROPE, by David Hilliam
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE AND THE HIGH MIDDLE AGES, by Nancy Plain
THE DIADEMS OF A DUCHESS A RECONSTRUCTION OF THE LIFE AND TIMES OF ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE, by Rowena Lee
ELEANOR OF AQUITAINE QUEEN OF THE TROUBADOURS AND THE COURTS OF LOVE, by Melrich V. Rosenberg
Apr 22, 2011
Caren
James: Add 2 more!
To Be Queen: A Novel Of the Early Life of Eleanor of Aquitaine (just came out this month!)
The Queen's Pawn (about Eleanor and Alys, Countess of the Vexin who was to marry Richard the Lionheart at first...this came out last year).
Both of these books are by new author Christy English
Apr 28, 2011
James P. LaLone
Of interest -
http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1179&context=mff
Jun 10, 2012
Melinda
Deb, you should be able to access the tribalpages site. It's public with only the living hidden. Also, a bunch of us who are on the tree are often here in the chatroom. Come by and we'll help you out!
Jun 22, 2012
Melinda
Deb, from the looks of it, you're related to Andrew Kolstee, Caren, Cathy Milioto, Maddie, and me, just for starters. In this tree, we only put our direct lineage to Eleanor, so come on by the chat. Caren is related to just about everyone one way or another, so you especially want to look for her. Come on by!
Jun 22, 2012
Caren
Howdy Deb! Come on by the chat and we'll help ya figure out your royal links and such! :) I've got Jennings ancestry myself and Im related to the Harrison presidents.
Jun 22, 2012
James P. LaLone
Of possible interest -
http://www.medievalists.net/2012/06/26/the-uncommon-commonality-of-...
Jun 27, 2012
James P. LaLone
Run across a couple more bios of Eleanore:
ELEANORE OF AQUITAINE, THE MOTHER QUEEN, by Desmond Seward.
ELEANORE OF AQUITAINE, LORD AND LADY, ed. by Bonnie Wheeler & John Carmi Parsons.
Where are the other people who are suppose to be interested in Eleanore? Getting tired of joining these sites, message boards, etc. and only one or two people contribute and the rest take, having no idea about sharing. This is my last contribution till other people join in. Jim.
Oct 29, 2012
Barbara Kim Thigpen
Apr 7, 2014
Barbara Kim Thigpen
Apr 7, 2014
Barbara Kim Thigpen
[This one shows Saint William I Guillame as my 39th great grandfather on my father's side. I haven't finished charting it back to William I. This is 1 of 2 Aquitaine lines which go through Queen Princess Eleanor] of Aquitaine, Queen Eleanore Princess daughter Plantagenet, Eleanor daughter of Castile, Queen Blanche son Capet, King Charles I son Capet, King Charles II daughter di Sicily-Naples, Prin...cess Marguerite daughter Capet de Valois, Countess Jean daughter d` Avesnes, Queen Phillippa son de Lancaster, Duke John `of Gaunt` daughter de Beaufort, Countess Joan daughter Neville, Eleanor son Percy, Knight Sir Ralph son Percy, Peter son Percy or Pierce, Richard son Pierce, Richard daughter Pierce, Constance daughter Holten, Anne son Fitz Pen Phippen Thickpenny, Robert son Fitzpen, Owen son Fitzpen, John son Thigpen, Planter James I son Thigpen, James II son Thigpen, Dr. James III R. son Thigpen, Dr. James IV son Thigpen, Dr. James V son Thigpen, James VI son Thigpen, Ben Ashley son Thigpen, John Allen son Thigpen, Edward Alvin son Thigpen, Hubert Harold daughter Thigpen, Barbara Kim
Apr 7, 2014
James P. LaLone
Barbara of your 4 postings I do not understand your first two, please explain, thanks.
Apr 8, 2014
James P. LaLone
Actually also confused by your last two postings.
Apr 8, 2014
Barbara Kim Thigpen
I have deleted the 1st post. The 2cd is an incomplete list of ancestors of Aquitaine. There are repeats of persons because they are found on different family lines. I have Aquitaine ancestry on maternal & paternal lines; including Eleanor, on both. The 3rd post is a relationship chart from my Tribal Tree on Tribal Pages. I entered William I & then my name. It pulls up everyone in that line, from parent to child; only it doesn't show both parents. I count the number of 'grand's to get the number of generations to William I on any particular line. I only have the persons in that line up to Eleanor, & then added the number from her to him, since I already knew his line.
Apr 9, 2014
James P. LaLone
Sorry, Barbara Kim Thigpen, still don't get it. I am adding in the discussions forum an ahnentafel for Eleanor. Hopefully you can tell me where/if we differ, thanks.
Apr 9, 2014