Pat, thanks.  William was my GGF.  I have most of my information from a historical family article I found and tracing back has been hit or miss.

I found where Etta Louella Smith was buried and it was in Chicago all these years.  Small world. 

Is their a master site for family trees of the Nobles of Ireland's County Fermanagh on this site.  I see the same names reappear  William & Rose & John.....

My direct Noble ancestors ( John Noble & Rose {m/s Noble and the daughter of a John Noble } parents of William Noble ) went from Fermanagh, Ireland... back to Scotland.... than my own grandfather three generations later settled in Oyster Bay, Long Island, New York, USA.

I have run into a dead end in Ireland  (early 1800's / late 1700's) with my Noble family.

I keep a basic tree on TRIBAL PAGES ( a facebook site)  on which deceased are searchable via Google & Tribal Pages ...  do others do likewise.  If so what sites...?  

Does anyone know where in Scotland, their Nobles came from before they moved to Ireland..?

Again, as always thank you

Dave Gerard.

davegerard@hotmail.com

Dave Gerard

I keep some things posted on tribal pages family trees

Hi David  - I am not aware of any master site although there might well be. I think most people have their own family trees as I do. I do not put any of my trees up on the internet - especially NOT with Ancestry. I promised those who provide me information that it would not go on the internet! That being said, I am always willing to share what I have!

There is an Arthur Noble born in 1654 in Ireland - his parents are believed to have come from Cornwall in England. The Noble name comes from France to England and from there to Scotland and Ireland!

David....I'm also not aware of any master site, although we could probably create one.  The biggest problem I see is that the folks on this site represent 5 or 6 different lines of Nobles, mostly from Co. Fermanagh, for which we have not been able to establish a common ancestor.  There is an Ontario line, Illinois line, South Carolina line, Missouri line, 2 Australia lines, and possibly one or two others.  Many of us have done the DNA testing and know that we are closely related, but like you, have hit one dead end after another.

As John says, we all maintain our separate trees.  I have mine posted on both ancestry.com and myhistory.com where they are constantly updated by new databases coming online and by new trees placed online.  However, we could create our own website that is kept separate.  I belong to another family history organization that does just that -- and we have over 70,000 names.  We use TNG (The Next Generation - www.lythgoes.net) software with password protection and it is only available to members of our organization -- not to ancestry.com or familysearch.org.  I'm not in favor of doing anything on a social networking site.

Anyone else have any interest in a Noble Family website?  I'd be happy to help get it organized and acquire the software (about $35), then we could share the cost of the website hosting ($5 per month) via a membership fee.  Any discussion?

Correction:  myhistory.com below should read my heritage.com -- sorry for the error.

Yes, Jim. Back in high school (my class is celebrating our 50th high school reunion this year!), I strongly suspected that our seemingly staunchly Catholic Nobles, descendants from Ireland, had come from Protestant families at some point -- even Irish-American Catholic priests named Noble turned out to be in that category. In the intervening decades, that seemed even more likely when we learned that our John Noble of Meriden CT came from the County Fermanagh Nobles, who were staunch Protestants. That now seems even more evident from the latest close DNA match with our moderator, John Noble, who comes from a protestant family (For everyone else: as John mentioned here a few days ago, John and I are now awaiting the arrival of our 111 marker Y-DNA kits that may help pinpoint that relationship even more clearly). This opens a new string of tantalizing questions about the religion of the parentss of our first American ancestor: John Francis Noble, who arrived in Meriden CT at age four and was raised by the Scollan family there. DNA once again is proving to be a remarkable investigative tool in unravelling family mysteries!

Well after 3 months, my 111-marker results are finally in. Ray and I now are a genetic distance of 3. I had hoped to stay the distance of 1 we had after the 67 markers, but 3 is still excellent. It is the best results so far!

Hi, I was reading Ray and James Thomas' comments about John Francis Noble who came to Meriden CT in 1853 age 4.  What I believe might be significant is the name Francis.  There is a manuscript # 30, which is part of the Swanzy Pedigree Notebooks about the family of Francis Noble and Susanna Woolley from County Monaghan who maybe ancestors of your Francis. 

Francis and Susanna were residents of Peterborow, Parish of Donamonie, County Monaghan.  Francis died in 1740.

Are you familiar with this manuscript or this family??  

Hi Scott - I am familiar with that and in fact have kind of family tree made up of that family!

Hi John, I also have put together a family tree for this family, starting with James Noble of Glassdrumond, County Fermanagh, born circa 1654 died Sept 21 1719 at the age of 65.  He was buried in the parish church cemetery. Aghalurcher parish, County Fermanagh.

You are probably aware of the articles in 'The Irish Genealogist' by Talbot Green about the Noble families in Counties Fermanagh, Monaghan etc.  I found them extremely useful in augmenting my family tree.

That could be a strong possibility. When I did early research, I got a family tree of Maj. Arthur Noble (b. 1654) along with Francis and James. I think they are related - perhaps cousins to Arthur. SInce then throughother people I have augmented those trees but cannot of course make any link to mine! I will have to revisit this!

I have a copy of Talbot Green's article and alos a follow-up article he wrote in a later edition of the Irish Genealogist!

Any news from anyone? I stumbled on a pair of researchers in Germany who have given me my mother's tree back to the 1500s!

I though Ireland would be easy and Germany would be hard, but quite the opposite turns out to be the case.

If I were to travel to Enniskillen or Belfast, is there anything to be done there that can't be done sitting at my desk? Has anyone tried contacting Nobles who are living in Fermanagh today?

Hi James - I have not found anything more - yes Ireland is very difficult to find things prior to the 1850's it seems. In Belfast you can visit PRONI - they have an online catalog that can be searched but you have to visit if you want to look at the actual documents!

In Fermanagh, there are some historical societies that may or may not have anything. 

I tried contacting one Noble in Fermanagh - runs a real-estate agency I believe. But I never heard back. That was some years ago!

I recently found a tombstone photo of the grave of my 2nd great-grandfather, Edward Noble.  It states that he is from County Mayo.  It also gives a town and parish but so far the words have not been completely transcribed and the little we can see does not seem to match any parish or town in County Mayo. Edward was born around 1826. 

Edward migrated from Ireland during the famine and first went to England, where he met and married Mary Devine, of County Longford.  They had several chidlren in County Durham, England and then migrated to the US, where they settled in Mount Carmel, Northumberland County, PA.  

I recently obtained a copy of the article "The Nobles in Swanzy's and Betham's Extracts" by Talbot K. Green, published in The Irish Genealogist.  This has a wealth of information contained in the wills and legal filings of five groups of Nobles:

1.  The Nobles of Glassdrummond, Co. Fermanagh

2.  The Nobles of Co. Monaghan

3.  The Nobles of Lisnaskea, Co. Fermanagh

4.  The Nobles of Donagh, Co. Fermanagh

5.  Another family living in Donagh in the same period

Most of this is 18th and 19th centuries.  If anyone would like a copy, I'd be happy to send you one (file size = 10.9M) -- e-mail me at mwnoble@me.com.  Much of this impacts my line, so I've been spending a good amount of time updating my tree.

Have also been doing some work on one of my maternal German lines, the Schneiders.  Like James Thomas, I've found that German records are pretty good, but require translation.  Have got records back to the early 1700s but also have a German cousin who is doing family research, so he does all the translating!  Makes it easier for me.  

Records in England also tend to be very good, but those in Ireland were either not created (to keep them out of English hands) or were lost over time.  So, as we're all finding out, research on Irish roots is difficult. Although more and more PRONI records are coming on line each year, they're charging to see the actual document to help offset some of their budget woes.

Hi Mike, I came across this article recently and found it very informative as well.  Green published a second article "Hunting The Early Nobles", Vol 12, No. 1 in 2006 which has a number of corrections to the first article plus some thoughts on where in England the Nobles of Glassdrummond might have come from.

Curious which line impacts you directly.  I believe I can trace mine back through the one from Donagh.

Scott.

I have both of Greene's articles and in fact I wrote to him prior to the 2006 article and had a letter back from him. He shed no further light on what he had already covered in the articles. I would like to think that I can trace my ancestors back to these Nobles but so far cannot but one never knows! I would tend to think that I my line would be either from the Glassdrummond or Lisnaskea ones!

Just joined the Noble group, and wondered if anyone has heard of, or is related to the following.

My gr.grandfather Henry Noble born Mar 11, 1845 in Dromore, Co. Fermanagh,  married Margaret Mccutchen June 14, 1864 in Drumkeeran (according to IGI records, groom's father's name is John Noble, bride's fahter is James Mccutchen), and sailed for Canada the same year. They had four children, one died age 14 months in 1866, and the other three died along with their mother Margaret in 1871 of scarlett fever. Henry remarried and this second marriage produced my grandmother Marion Alma Noble.

Any help would be appreciated

Hi Folks: Happy Father's Day to all! A personal meeting with my "cousin" Mike Noble and his wife yesterday has inspired me to finally post something on this site. I am seeking information about the Irish background of my line of Nobles. My great-great-great grandfather, Andrew Noble emigrated from Ireland to Canada in c. 1855. He and his family settled in the town of Dunnsville, ONT located on the north side of Lake Erie. His family consisted of his wife Mary, sons Alexander, Robert, and John, and daughters Rebecca, Sarah, Mary, and Jane. Andrew evidently worked on the railroads and was killed in a train accident on Christmas Day in 1857. (I am descended from son John who was born in c. 1837.)

Where these folks came from in Ireland is not at all clear. When my great-great grandfather died in 1913, his death certificate listed his place of birth as County Down, Ireland. Elsewhere there are other references to Counties Antrim and Tyrone. So the situation is not at all clear. With this admittedly scanty information, can anybody help shed some light on where this branch of Nobles came from in Ireland?

Best Regards, Bruce Noble, Jr.

I was just notified of a Y-37 match - John Barry Noble II, who lives in the UK. I've sent him an email and I will report back on any info received.

Probably going to Ireland next summer to poke around a bit.

Hi there! My maiden name is Noble. My 3rd great grandfather John Noble was born in Scotland in 1854. According to the 1900 and 1920 Census, he came here in about 1882. He settled in Youngstown, Ohio with his wife Martha who was born in England and their family (all born in Ohio). Apparently his nickname was Jackie.

I have little information about his life in Scotland. I found that he was born in Greenock, Renfrewshire, Scotland. His parents were John and Sarah (Miller) Noble which I found on his death certificate.

I had heard my great grandfather told stories that my family originally lived in Ireland, then Scotland, but I couldn't trace that information.

Melanie,  was the John Noble you are looking for in the foundry or mining industry.?  do you have an account with Scotland's people (gov't records office) to search B/M/D & census records? I did a quick search this morning and found no documents ( in Scotland) in their records that would match John & Sarah, or John & Martha.   Do you have additional info..?

Dave in NY, USA

to: Ron Oakley,

My mother is a Noble, I have traced part of my grandfather James Paterson Noble's family from Scotland to County Fermanagh, Ireland. 

July 29, 1821 my 3rd great-grandfather John Noble of  Dromore, Par. of Drumkeeran married Rose Noble (daughter of John Noble & Helen Monaghan).

Their (known) children are: William born 1823, John b'24 & Henry b'29. All three moved to Scotland, .....   so a connection going forward is unlikely. Does anyone know how big these towns were.?   

-- I can only guess that if we do a little digging we'll find a connection going back just a little.   I see your Henry's Marriage cert. 14th June 1864 age 21 ( that would make his birth year 1843 (? they rounded ages a lot back then.?) bach., farmer, Dromore Big, son of John Noble, /// and Margaret McCutcheon age 20, spin.,  Residence: Russian (Rushin ? duel /questioned spelling Russian/Rushin appears under other births / marriage records also.)  father is James McCutcheon. I also see another McCutcheon birth to other parents who are also from Russian (Rusin sp?) also farmers, have you had any luck on that line..? 

[ Fermanagh, marriage / birth / baptismal records, as transcribed by George Armstrong ]

* note his spellings of McCuctheon vs. Mccutchen ..?

 I also see a Henry Noble,  born Oct 9, 1843, baptized Oct 22, 1843,  son of John Noble & Margaret (no last name listed) of Dromore, Farmer.  

[this birth year matches the age on his marriage record ? But you have a different birth date ?]

[ again this info is not from the original documents but transcriptions by Geo. Armstrong] 

*** hope I have not muddied up the water here, but you might check those records, dates and spellings yourself.

davegerard@hotmail

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Comment by Ron Oakley on April 17, 2013 at 6:11pm           

David John Gerard: Most of the information I got from my dad's cousin. He did a lot of the research. In the U.S. Census records that I have, his occupation is listed as puddler (1900) and a watcher on the railroad (1920). On his death certificate his occupation is a retired steel worker.

No I do not have an account with Scotland's records. The only documents I have are U.S. documents. My dad's cousin found the other information about his place of birth and his wife. He said he found some Scotland and England census records for John and Martha, but I haven't seen them personally. Martha was born in 1858 in England and her maiden name is Watson. I know from the U.S. Census records that they were married before they came to the U.S.

There is a marriage recorded at St. Mary's Ardess (Kesh, Fermanagh) between John Noble of Dromore Big and Rose McGolrick of Drumgregnahan in November 1842. My John Noble was born in 1847 or 1848, his mother's name was Rose, and he came to America alone in 1853. I do not know if this John Noble-Rose McGolrick couple are my ancestor's parents, but it seems a good bet. Anyone have any further information?

to: Ron Oakley,

sorry typo, should have typed:

* note his spellings of McCutcheon  vs. Mccutchen ..? 

I just heard from a 67-match named John Noble in Australia, and I invited him to join the group. His ancestor was born near Irvinestown, Fermanagh in 1820.

Recently read that at one time in Ireland, births had to be registered within a certian time or there was a fine.  ...   so people would fudge the birth date..? might explain why BC dates do not always match later documents where a person might list their actual birth date..?

My Noble interest relates to James N who came to Geelong/Australia in 1830.   His home village was Newtownstewart in Nth Ireland.    Happy to share the Australian history & appreciate of any Irish data.

Geoff     wadeallen1@bigpond.com

I am searching for any information on a Mary Noble from Dores Scotland between 1811 and 1814 when her two sons were born to her and Donald Shaw. Have absolutely no information on her, I have searched Scotlands People site but can only presume the marriage was not officially recorded. Her son Alexander married and came to Australia in 1848 but have never been able to track other son William born 1811 either.

Ancestry shows a William Shaw born 3 Nov 1811 to Donald Shaw and Mary Noble. It also shows a William Shaw (abt 1810), wife Margaret (abt 1810), with chilldren John (abt 1833), James (abt 1836), Jane (abt 1838), Robert (abt 1840), William (abt 1843), Margaret (abt 1845), George (abt 1847) and Agnes (abt 1849). They appear in the censuses of 1841, 51, 61 and 71. They were in Polmont Sterlingshire, among other places. Could that be your William?

Hi Pat, the birth is correct and I have him in my tree on Ancestry If I do a search then I cannot get a match as most just have given Scotland as birth place though I did find one for 1851 that gave birth as Fort George which is 13 miles north of inverness so I have my doubts on that one. I will try Scotlands People for a marriage around 1833 for him to a Margaret and see what transpires.

Best to be careful, but he's the only William Shaw of that age in those censuses. I wish you luck!

Thanks Pat will keep going back again and again to it

Hello everyone......

My most distant ancestor is Oliver Storey, b 1798 in Drumclee - d 1861, in Belturbet, Co Cavan, Ireland. He is my brick wall!

I have had my brother John Preston Storey, tested with FTDNA, he is R1b, and is now down to Z198, which is below DF27. His kit # 599041.

Up to 37 markers there are matches to 20 Nobles at 0 genetic distance.

I am waiting for his Y- 111 and Big Y results, due in 5-6 weeks.

I know that there were Storeys who married Nobles in Augnacliffe, County Longford during the 1800's, but I can't find a connection with my family.

My guess is that maybe there were marriages between Noble and Storey Border Reiver families, either before or after the Irish Plantations?

The names that match at 0 distance include; Thomas, Jordan Alan, Rod, Andrew, James K 111,Terry Lee, Scott, Dr James Thomas, Robert E, James, Thomas Raymond, Herbert, Balfour and some without forenames. 

I know some of these may disappear with higher testing.

Is anyone able to shed some light on this? I would love to solve some of my mysteries.........

regards

Suzanne Himmelreich (Storey) Australia

Hi Suzanne - what company did you have your DNA done? Mine is with FamilyTreeDNA but I do not see your brother's name in my matches. I too am now being tested for the z198 sub-clade! At the y-111, I am a genetic distance of 3 with Dr. James Thomas and 7 with Thomas Raymond!

Ah - I see on the 12 matches I do match at 0 distance with your brother - but nothing beyond that. I do not have Storey's in my Noble line. But I have seen that name in other Noble lines from Ireland.

Suzanne....On the DNA side, I match Terry Lee and Thomas Raymond 100% at 67 markers, but we have not yet identified our common ancestor.

On the family tree side, I have several connections with Storys:

1. William Noble (b. 1737 Co. Monaghan, d. 1789 Co. Fermanagh) married Elizabeth Story (b. 1745 Co. Wexford, d. 1819 Co. Cavan).  Elizabeth's first husband was John Mulholland.  Elizabeth's father was Rev. Joseph Story (b. 1711 Co. Tyrone, d. 1784 Co. Monaghan), and his father was Thomas Story (d. Co Tyrone).  I have no other information on Joseph or Thomas.  
2. Dr. Brabazon Noble (b. 1779 Dublin, d. 1830 Co. Louth), son of William and Elizabeth above, married Sophia Burrowes (b. 1780 Co. Cavan, d. 1817).  Sophia's father was Robert Burrowes (b. 1750 Co. Cavan) and mother was Sophia Story.  Sophia Story's father was Joseph Story (b. 1724, d. 1767) and mother was Frances Arabella Sneyd (d. 1809).
3. It is possible that Elizabeth Story, who married William Noble, and Sophia Story, who married Robert Burrowes, were related but I have not been able to confirm that.
4. In a related line, Mungo Noble (b. 1692, d. 1750 Co. Fermanagh) married Mary Penelope Leslie (b. 1708, d. 1760).  Mary's father was Rev. William Leslie (b. 1680 Co. Clare, d. 1762 Co. Fermanagh) and her mother was Penelope Story (no info).

I don't know if Storys and Storeys or Burrows and Burrowes are the same families -- spellings varied through the years.

Hi Michael, thanks for your info. I have come across some of these names before, and I know there were a lot of Storys/Storeys in Belturbet, and Cavan in general. My major problem is that I can't find any ancestors or siblings for my gggrandfather Oliver. It would have been unusual for him to be an only child.

I will send the details of the Longford Nobles via an attachment.......

Descendants%20of%20Henry%20Noble.pdf

As you can see, some of these lived/live in the US, I hope I am not breaching anyone's privacy

I just have my brother's Y111 results:

111 markers - 0

67 markers - 1    Bruce Jack Noble @ GD 6 

                      2     Noble ?  M269    @ GD 7

37 markers    1   Bruce Jack Noble  @ GD 4

25 markers     1  Noble ? M269        @ GD 2

12 markers      21 Nobles                  @ GD 0

I am surprised that the same two people match at different GD's at different markers.

I sent a message to Bruce Jack Noble which was returned - address unknown.

I am beginning to wonder if there has been what is delicately known as a 'non parental event' !!!!!!

John's kit # 599041

Bruce Jack has tested to 67 markers, but is still at M269

Suzanne....My cousin Bruce Noble is trying to send you a message but having trouble doing it through Genealogy Wise.  Please e-mail him at webnoble1@gmail.com.  Thanks.

Thank you Michael, will do......

Hi Marjorie, I have just emailed your Dad, Bruce Jack. With so many people involved, maybe some of the mysteries will be solved,

Regards,

Suzanne