You may want to check out this group as you can get answers to just about any question about using GW:

This short blog entry may be of help for getting started here:

"How I Get the Most Out of GW"

Hi Margaret,
Not sure if you already have this info but I have birthdates and names on the 4 children of William and Gertrude Kelsall. Is that any use to you?

Hi Margaret,

Found another link for you to try. It gives some information on the Dale family.
I'm having trouble inserting the link so you'll have to copy and paste to your browser.

http://www.kencrouse.com/family/namesd.htm

Hi,

Here's another one for you that has more on the Wilfred Dale family as well.

http://www.andersonconnection.org/report28/pi01/JohnElizabethSmithCourts.htm

I was more than happy to do what little I could to help you ought. I feel you don't have certain information available to you in England that might be readily available for me or others to find.

That is great you have copy of Wilfred's birth certificate as that is real documention and not something you might find on One World Tree or New Family Search for example. I have found so much erroneous information that I might resort to using those sources just to find a person but then make I sure I track down some good backup documentation before adding it to my tree. I never use either one as source material. There are too many "junk" trees and wrong information out there in genealogyland. So many people copy other undocumented trees with bad information and it just snowballs. It makes no sense to me at all to have some big huge tree that has no backup as what would be the point in having one at all?

To get back to your Wilfred, I found the 1910 Census but unfortunately it is impossible to read other than the information which has been translated by Ancestry.com. However, attached is the 1900 Federal Census for your information. I'll get the 1920 one for you if you'd like. I highlighted Wilfred and family in yellow. Wilfred Dale 1900 Census #2.jpg .

I just found Wilfred's son's WWI Draft Card which I've enclosed. This is good proof of his birthdate and his middle name was "Andrew."

Wilfred Andrew Dale 1918 WWI Draft Card.jpg

Sorry, I feel like I'm filling up your home page here with more info. This is Caleb Melton Dale's 1917 WWI Draft Card. It's hard to read his middle name correctly as his signature on his middle name is different than what's on the top as you will see. I never heard of the name Melton.

Caleb Melton Dale 1917 WWI Draft Card.jpg

Here's another member of the Wilfred Dale family. He is William A. Dale. I am enclosing his draft card, death citation (CA so he must have moved there at one point) and also the 1920 Federal Census where he was living with a brother-in-law named Pat Gooley. I wonder if William was ever married. Turns out ths family is fairly easy to trace. Will send more when I find time.

Steph
William A Dale 1917 WWI Draft Card.jpg
William A Dale Death Citation.jpg
William A Dale 1920 Fed Census.jpg

Thanks, Margaret but I cannot open the file as it only works with I.E. and I use Firefox as my browser. However, I have already looked in GenForum many times with no luck. Can you tell me briefly what you found in the marriage lookups? I figured John was born around 1710 +/- 10 years. The only other suggestion I would have is for you to check emmigration records out of England to see if there is any John Cole that left around 1736 bound for New England. Unfortunately, I cannot even tell you what part of England he might have been from. I did find some immigration records for several John Coles into America but not enough detail to prove any of them. I really gave you a very challenging exercise. I commend you for even trying. Between my grandfather and myself it's been some 70+ years of searching for this illusive person!

Margaret,

I just searched for William Kelsall in the Ryerson Index http://www.ryersonindex.org/ There is a death recorded earlier this year that fits in with his birth in 1918.

KELSALL William (Bill) Death notice 24APR2009 Death 90 late of Woonona Illawarra Mercury Published 25APR2009

If you go to the main Ryerson page you will find a "Contact Us" icon, click on that and send an email their Secretary to see if it is possible for one of their volunteers to send you a transcription of the death notice.

Regards, Jill

Have you contacted any of the people who have Wilford trees? I haven't forgotten my promise to you so I had a few minutes here and thought I'd upload more info I found for you. These are for Cyrus Dale. I had set up a tree on Ancestry for Wilford Dale as it's easier for me to look for things that way. I hope I'm not duplicating records you might already have so let me know if that's the case.
Cyrus Dale 1917 WWI Draft Card.jpg

Cyrus Dale City Direction Bozeman, MT..jpg

Next I worked on Lydia Ann Dale. She married a Noah William Bennett as you probably know. Here are copies of the census, death of Noah and Draft record. They had a lot of children too! Of course you will find Lydia living with her parents in census before 1910. I rotated, cropped, highlighted and resized these as they are quite large files the way they were. I'll work on some other later this week.

Lydia Ann Dale Bennet 1910 Census.jpg
Noah Wm Bennett 1900 Census.jpg
Lydia Ann Dale Bennett 1920 Census.jpg
Noah Wm Bennett 1917 Draft Card.jpg

I forgot to add Noah Bennett's death record so here it is.

Noah Wm Bennett Death Index 1860-2007.jpg