Hi Deborah,

My 6thG-grandparents are Mary Wakely and Richard Cole. Are you related to Mary? She was born in 1691 and died in 1761/2 I believe in Buckland Brewer. They had at least 4 children.My family settled in Simcoe, Norfolk Co., ON..

John

I think that the Bible Christians chartered boats to North America and many of these used Padstow as their port of departure. In Ontario (Upper Canada) they came to Cobourg and Port Hope. I the 1861 census of Hope Township just west of Port Hope, approximately 45% of all of the households were Bible Christian. Most of the little rural chapels in that part of Ontario were originally BC. Ebenezar Church on Courtice, Ontario (named after the Buckand Brewer Courtices) is still a thriving congregation. I have looked at the 1841 census for St Gennys parish in Cornwall and am able to find several families including my own in the 1851 and 61 Hope Township census. 

I understand that the farmers came to Durham County, Ontario and many miners went to Minnesota or Wisconsin.

Huron County in western Ontario opened up in the 1850s and had a large population of second generation Bible Christians. 

Barry

I believe that my 3g-grandparents were Bible Christians who settled in Norfolk Co. Ontario, although the only evidence I have is a baptism of one of their children by the Bible Christians. I have been told they likely went via merchant ship to Canada in the early 1840s, but unfortunately I do not have any documentation to confirm or disprove :-( So, as both Barry and Janet have said, there is a possibilty they may have departed from Padstow and arrived in eother Port Cobourg or port Hope and then moved on to Charoletteville.

I have attempted to locate the Bible Christian records, but they are seemingly very elusive. I am told they are with the United Church archives in Toronto, but they dont seem to be a very easy group to work with, at least online. Wish i lived a lot closer so i could check the archives out myself. Perhaps next time I am in southern ontario I will get the opportunity :-)

Numerous emigrants went from Bideford on ships owned by the Chanter/Yeo families who hd ship building interests in North Devon and Canada

Thx Janet!!

You wouldnt know if there are existing records for my William & Charity Cole family there? The census says the family arrived in Canada in 1842.

Passenger lists pre 1890 are very rare indeed here. Often the only way we know when people left or or what ship is from Canadian records or family information. Ship's departures sometimes got mentioned in the press but rarely with passenger names, unless they were very prominent people. Sometimes an obituary will mention emigration details but again they are on your side of the Atlantic

My Mary Wakely (also seen spelt Wakeleigh) was bn 6 Aug 1692, married Richard Cole 17 July 1719 and died 9 Feb 1762 according to the parish records I have seen. All these events happened in Buckland Brewer.

I haven't traced Mary's family too far yet, so cant say one way of the other either :-( Perhaps John was Mary's nephew? Mary's parents Henry Wakely and Joan Kitto and her younger brother William are the only family members I am aware of. William died at age 21 so I am unsure if he had children (or married for that matter).

As for the Bible Christians in Canada, it seems that they (at least formally) didn't go to Norfolk Co. where my family settled - according to Sherrell Leetooze when I spoke to her a couple of years ago. She has written a few books on the Bible Christians in Canada. Many of my Cole ancestors are buried in a United Church cemetery in Norfolk so what you say makes sense to me in terms of my family. The family likely were affected by the church changes you mention as time went along.

For those of you who are interested in Bible Christians emigrating from Devon to Canada, there is an article in the current [May 2013] issue of "Families", published by the Ontario Genealogical Society [http://www.ogs.on.ca/] [. Its title is "The Courtice Family from Devonshire to Darlington and their Bible Christian Connection". The author is James M. Bowen. Surnames mentioned: Annis, Conant, Ashton, Colley, Cory, Courtice, Fawcett, Freeman, Hollway, Jenkins, Jenning, Lane, Mason, Phillips, Rundle, Score, Teneyck, Thorne, Tremeire, Verney.

David Falconer

Thanks very much David I will see if I can get someone to scan me a copy

I will circulate a copy of the paper.  I will be receiving a pdf copy from the editor shortly and would be please email my paper to anyone that is interested.

Jim

yes please Jim janet@few4.orangehome.co.uk

Hi Jim,

I would love a copy of the PDF as well. My email: jdcole@knet.ca. If anyone is interested in Bible Christians in Canada, Sher Leetooze has written a couple books on them. You can check this site out if you are:  https://sites.google.com/site/sherleetooze/thebiblechristianproject

John

James M. Bowen is a great grandson of Mary Ellen Courtice, the daughter of Thomas Courtice originally of Buckland Brewer. The article in the OGS, May 2013 issue of "Families"  does not include this information.

Just to let you know that we will be forming a Buckland Brewer History Group - official inaugural meeting in September. There will be options for those who live elsewhere to join, receive our e.newsletter, get help with research and take part in some of our research projects if this appeals. We hope to have a few printed copies of the first newsletter on display at the village fete in three weeks time (it may be very short!). If anyone has anything written about their Buckland families that I could use I'd be very grateful janet@few4.orangehome.co.uk

Beyond my budget but 4 Fulford Daguerreotypes on sale on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Four-Daguerreotypes-Ann-Philip-Fulford-of...

If anyone splashes out copies would be appreciated!

The soon to be launched Buckland Brewer History Group now has a shiny new (but very baby) website http://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com Do take a look and let me know what you think. We will be adding data to this over time. I hope some of you will want to join the group. It is for all those interested in Buckland Brewer's history. We have the first newsletter ready to send to members - we hope this will grow in size and scope. There are several exciting projects in the wings - you will be able to take part in some of these from a distance. I am glad that this is finally getting off the ground, we have had a good level of interest and it can only be good for the collation of Buckland Brewer's history.

Memorial inscriptions from inside St Mary and St Benedict's church now on the bottom of the page at http://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com/?page_id=184&pr...  that link looks weird  - let me know if it doesn't work

More being added to our website all the time http://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com/

Announcing our oral history project http://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com/data/your-memories-...  written memories and photographs also welcome.

For those who have been waiting for Buckland Brewer History Group to set up online ways to pay for membership - it is now available http://www.parishchest.com/Buckland_Brewer_History_Group__LID15488

David, I have your message although it is not visible here. Barton Court is a holiday complex and spa created out of the former Barton Farm outbuildings. The farm itself and two farm cottages (now knocked in to one) are private dwellings. It is likely that the Passmores lived in the Farm itself.

Hi Janet, the link seems to work fine for me :-)

I can't see David's message at all here - just in my email notification - all very strange.

Thanks for your reply about Barton Court, Janet. It's curious that my original question only appeared by email. Perhaps it's because I used "send message to group" instead of "comment wall" (which I'm using now).

David

That might be it David. I have a photo of Barton Farm I can send you if you email me your email address bucklandbrewerhistorygroup@hotmail.co.uk

Take a look at this amazing video of Buckland Brewer http://youtu.be/5BqzE8PBEE8 thanks to http://www.burnthecurtain.co.uk/. Brilliant if your ancestors came from Buckland Brewer but you haven't been able to visit. There will be a permanent link on the links page of our website http://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com

Nice video Janet... can see the Cole-Manning place quite nicely as well as Bible Christian church :-)

Hello Janet, all:

Is there a local archives or record office where one can find leases and land records for Buckland Brewer and neighbouring parishes such as Parkham? I am thinking of travelling to Devon in October, and would like to look up old records of my Passmore, Downing and Fortescue ancestors.

Best wishes

David Falconer

David You would need the North Devon record office in Barnstaple but there aren't a great number of leases for these parishes. The Devon Heritage centre in Exeter has a little additional material.

Nicholas Poyntz of Buckland Brewer died in 1609. He was survived by six children, Humphry, William, John, James, Grace and Mary. At the time of Nicholas’s death, his daughter, Grace, had married Richard Hogge in 1596 and was living in Newton St Petrock. Following his death, his eldest son and executor, Humphrey married Mary Heath in Wells cathedral on 23 May 1610.

Nicholas had a brother, Hugh, who died without issue in Newton St Petrock in 1593.

There is a record of a Humphrey Poyntz being baptised in Buckland Brewer on 13 January 1623, the son of John. It appears that this Humphrey married Joan and moved to Monkleigh.

It is said that there is an inscription under the floor of Buckland Brewer church concerning family Poyntz. Is there any knowledge of such an inscription, what was said, or where a transcript may be found?

Does anyone have any other information concerning this part of family Poyntz?

Buckland Brewer History Group is hoping to establish a group to have discussions/share presentations via Google+ - do get in touch if you are interested

Buckland Brewer History Group are getting together volunteers to trace the history of the 81 men on our First World War role of honour. Please take a look at the list on our website to see if you can help https://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com/data/buckland-at-war/

Buckland Brewer History Group have uploaded their first video, designed to help those tracing the WW1 servicemen from the parish. We hope to upload something else soon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92EZiewRzQA&feature=youtu.be

Buckland Brewer History Group https://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com will shortly begin work on a rural history of Buckland Brewer and surrounding areas, covering the period 1800-1970. We shall need help. Do you have photos of Buckland farms that we could use? Do you have information about rural life in our area that you could share via an interview? Could you help with the history of a particular farm? Can you suggest a topic that we might cover (we already have some ideas!)? We shall also need volunteers to do research and to write notes or text for the various sections of the proposed book. There will be more details in our May newsletter but don’t wait until then to get in touch.

Buckland Brewer History Group have published a new edition of W H Roger's History of Buckland Brewer, written in the 1930s. See https://bucklandbrewerhistorygroup.wordpress.com/2015/04/12/rogers-... for details.

Hello, I've just joined this group as I've been researching my Cole family ancestors and I have just found that there seem to be lots of Cole generations in Buckland Brewer. I started from Sarah Matthews Cole in Appledore, who married Thomas Glover, master mariner, in Northam in 1840. Her parents were John Cole, shipwright, born Huntshaw 1785, died Appledore 1863, and Catherine Matthews, born Westleigh 1783, died Appledore 1861. They married in Barnstaple in 1810, and I only have the Northam banns record for this; I really need to go to the record office to look at the marriage entry and see if it gives an occupation for John's father. I know from John's baptism record that his parents were William and Ann Cole and I found a marriage for William Cole and Ann Evans in Buckland Brewer in 1773. They seem to have had 4 children in Buckland Brewer, then 2 in Huntshaw and then 2 in Northam. If my deductions are correct, William's parents were Henry Cole and Elizabeth Lee, and Henry's parents were Richard Cole and Mary Wakely. If anyone knows about the Coles and can tell me whether I'm right or wrong, I'd be very grateful. Thanks.

Hello I think you may have two families mixed up Linda. I agree that  there doesn't seem to be another suitable marriage of a William Cole and an Ann but William Cole and Ann Evans just seem to have had the 5 children in Buckland Brewer - one of these is a John born c. 1780 who marries Kitty Stevens and stays in Buckland Brewer. The marriage entry in 1810 wouldn't give father's names - normally just the names of the couple themselves.

Thanks Janet. This is what I wasn't sure about. The dates of baptism seemed to fit nicely - I've got William 1775, George 1778, John 1780 and Ann 1781 in Buckland Brewer, then Thomas 1783 and John 1786 in Huntshaw and finally Betty 1788 and Richard 1791 in Northam. I had assumed the first John had died; looking for a death was my next task! But maybe it's back to the drawing board!

I agree the children do seem to fit. There is also Moses in 1773. Certainly needs more investigation. It seems unlikely but there are cases of two children with the same name surviving in a family. William and Ann are buried in Buckland Brewer, so if there is another William and Ann buried in Northam it is definitely two couples. Ann could be married as Hannah/Joanne/Susanna.

I think it's going to take a bit of untangling! There is another William Cole who was baptised in Northam 28 May 1747, parents William and Hannah, but I can't find a likely marriage. There is also a William Cole, wife Ann, in Appledore, who could perhaps be the William born in Buckland Brewer in 1775. However the censuses and the burial record are somewhat inconsistent both as to age and place of birth.

1841 Park Hill Cottage, Diddywell, Northam; William Coles 60, ag lab, Ann Coles 50, son William 20 and daughter Ann 14.

1851 Myrtle Street, Appledore; William Cole 76, labourer, born Buckland Brewer, daughter Ann C Cole 24 born Northam. 

1861 Myrtle Street, Appledore; William Coles 90, labourer, born Northam, Ann Coles 77 born Northam.

1864, 3 Nov St Mary's, Appledore; burial William Cole 98.

1871 Market Street, Appledore; Ann Cole, widow 91, born Littleham. 1877, 29 March St Mary's, Appledore; burial Ann Cole 97.

So here we have a tentative link to Buckland Brewer, with William Cole in 1851 listed as born there. If this is all the same person, clearly no one was sure about how old he was! I' d welcome your thoughts.

Northam burials list a William Cole/Coal, pauper, buried 22 March 1789, no age given. Also a William Cole 38 of Appledore, buried 19 Aug 1827, but clearly he's not the right one.

I'll have another trawl through the Northam parish registers and see what Coles I can find.

Failing dismally so far to find any other likely candidates. The only Coles listed in Huntshaw (using FMP) are the two baptisms of Thomas 1783 and John 1786 and a marriage in 1784, when banns were called in Feb for John Pitwood, blacksmith of this parish and Ann Cole of Rings Ash. So this could suggest that the family was only there for a few years.

Searching FMP for Devon marriages, the only two of the right date are William Cole and Anne Furneaux 18 Sep 1769 in Woodland, which is part of Ipplepen parish, so miles away, and the Buckland Brewer one. The only other that seems vaguely possible is William Cole and Susanna Drew, Northam 1 December 1784, but that is well over a year since Thomas's baptism in Huntshaw in May 1783, so doesn't really fit at all well. The other marriages with Ann/Hannah/Susanna are either miles away or the wrong date or both. Hmm.

I did find a Northam marriage for the earlier William Cole, who married Hannah Button in March 1746/7. They must be the parents of the William Cole bp in Northam in 1747. But that doesn't actually get us much further. I'll keep hunting!

What a tangle! William and Ann of Buckland Brewer are both buried there. There are a few Devon parihes not yet on FMP so maybe they married there, or out of Devon, or not at all! The death certificates of William and Ann of Appledore might helpfully have a child as the informant but then again they might not. Certainly looks like he was born Northam and not BB - but which, if either had the Huntshaw children?

The William on the Appledore censuses can't be 'my' John's father as the dates are wrong, but could be his brother. Or not related - though as far as I can see, everyone in Appledore is related somehow to everyone else! But that's why I thought the Buckland Brewer William and Ann might be the right ones, with a possible brother of John being born in Buckland Brewer. I know censuses don't always get it right either as regards age or place of birth, but I'd have thought someone living in Northam/Appledore is more likely to be put down erroneously as having been born locally rather than put down as having been born in somewhere totally different like Buckland Brewer. So I'd have thought that BB is more likely to be his correct place of birth. But obviously that's still supposition on my part.

There is certainly no sign of John's parents being buried in Appledore or Northam - only the two Williams I mentioned before and no Anns, apart from William buried 1864 aged 98 (if that age is correct) and Ann buried 1877 aged 97. Neither are old enough to be the parents of Thomas and John from Huntshaw. I will certainly send for some death certificates. I also need to go through the Northam baptisms to see how many Coles there are, and check the censuses. Luckily I've got all of these saved to my computer, so I can highlight people!

Another possibility of course is that the censuses for William and Ann refer to two different couples, hence the age discrepancies, but there still remains the problem of a lack of relevant burials, unless I've missed some. I will have another look just in case.

What were the burial dates from William and Ann in Buckland Brewer?

William in 1829 and Ann in 1820