Noble

Helping to find Noble ancestors from the counties in the Province of Ulster. Six of these make up Northern Ireland (Derry, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Antrim, Down, Armagh) and the other 3 are in the Republic of Ireland (Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan).
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  • John Noble

    I have used Olive Tree occasionally, but found it did not have much of what I was looking for!
  • George "Pat" Noble

    I've not used Olive Tree.
  • John Noble

    Here is another project group in FamilyTreeDna that I am a part of -- geared to any ancestors from Ulsters - I have asked the adminstrator to set up a Noble section in the results page!
    https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=T40804&Group...
  • John Noble

    I have decided to go ahead and get the rest of my DNa tested - the y37-Y67 refine. The sample will probably go into tomorrow's batch (Feb17) and if it is was like the last one, it only took about 3 weeks, even though they had said about 6!! I am curious to see if Mike and Terry and I stay at the same genetic distance of 4!! I have asked Bruce to upload the balance of his to Ysearch but have not had a reply from him as yet - although he did join genealogywise yesterday but not this group as yet!
  • Andrew Noble

    Hello fellow Nobles. I am Andrew Noble, living in UK. I am the great grandson of a Thomas Noble from Lisbellow, Co. Fermanagh and reasonably familiar with the area around Enniskillen and Maguiresbridge. There are a handful of direct relatives living in the area, who can trace their ancestors back to a William Noble of Arda, Maguiresbridge (1814-1895). William I believe was married to Ann. They are buried at Old Derryvullan graveyard (with a Jane Graham, possibly sister of William). Unfortunately I have failed to go back further, owing to loss of records in Dublin riots in 1922 and lack of time to search locally. Would be interested to hear of anyone who has an interest in this William Noble.
  • John Noble

    Welcome aboard Andrew!! Hopefully we can help each other finding those elusive ancestors!
  • John Noble

    Andrew -- have you had any DNA testing done? If so, you could enter your results at ysearch.org, which is part of FamilyTreeDNA.
  • George "Pat" Noble

    Welcome, Andrew. I found a record of an Andrew from Derryvullan from the early 19th century. I believe I posted it here the other day.

    Do you get the sense that the Fermanagh area could have supported a number of unrelated Noble lines in the early 19th century?
  • John Noble

    Well my 37-67 DNA order went into this week's batch and the projected date for the results is April 5th, but I am hoping it will be like the previous one and be sooner!
  • Christy Ahlin Larsen

    My husband is a Thomas Noble descendent who settled in Westfield, Massachusetts. -- 1668. I'm hoping to locate his descendants that remained in Massachusetts, starting with Matthew Noble and working down through Ruth Noble, who married Charles Boardman. Do you know anything about them?
  • John Noble

    Welcome Christy!!
  • John Noble

    Well my 67marker results came in yesterday. Michael, Terry, and I now have a genetic distance of 6 - but it still means that somewhere back in time we had a common ancestor! I have tried to contact Bruce Noble to upload his 26-67 markers up to Y-Search, since we had all matched 24 of 25. He did join GenealogyWise but not this group and he has never responded to my request to upload the balance of his marker values! Anyway that is how it unfolded to date!
  • John Noble

    According to FamilyTree DNA - the following table shows the probabilities that we had a common ancestor (Michael, Terry and I)

    Generations Percentage
    4 3.52%
    8 30.41%
    12 65.65%
    16 87.25%
    20 96.13%
    24 98.98%
  • Michael W. Noble

    All signs seem to point to a common ancestor(s) for John, Terry, Bruce, Terry, Pat, perhaps Andrew and also George Helfrick (Noble) in Fermanagh. I joined the Ulster Historical Foundation because they have a lot of records for the counties that make up Ulster. Went to their seminar last weekend in Lancaster, PA, and learned that not all records were lost in 1922 -- lots of local records are still available but not online. Think I'll commission them to do some noble research on the Fermanagh Nobles and see what we can come up with. Stay tuned.
  • Michael W. Noble

    Sorry, meant to include me on the list as well.
  • Terry L Noble

    Michael, that sounds wonderful. Hope the Lancaster thing works. Terry
  • George "Pat" Noble

    Mike -- Let me know if I can pitch in on the "commissioning". It would be grand if they found a family Bible or two, or a vein of church records for a cluster of Nobles. It would also be interesting to find out if there was a strong migration pattern from nearby inland counties into Fermanagh. Maybe our ancestors were kicked off their lands slightly south of Fermanagh and were only in that county for under a hundred years?
  • George "Pat" Noble

    Christy, Welcome! My Noble ancestors got off the boat in the US much, much more recently than your husband's, so I haven't dug around in Noble genealogy in the US too much. I've chased other lines to take advantage of my Ancestry membership, but not the Noble line too much. Are you going to be getting one of your Noble male relatives' DNA tested? There's a number of Nobles in the system already. The others in this group can probably tell you more if you're interested.
  • Michael W. Noble

    Welcome Christy....The Massachusetts line of Nobles is probably the best documented. Check out the book History and Genealogy of the Family of Thomas Noble, of Westfield ... By Lucius Manlius Boltwood. For more information on this book and the Thomas Noble line, also check the ancestry.com Message Boards: Surnames: Noble.
  • John Noble

    Mike - like Pat, I might be able to help out in some way for any "commissioning". I would suspect that, they may only research only one individual's line - might be interesting to see what they propose! By the way Brian Mitchell has 2 books out - you can get them through Amazon - I have one already and I have one on order. In each the name Noble is mentioned! The second one is supposed to give more details. It appears from the first that Major Arthur Noble who fought in the Battle of Derry in 1689, was born in Ireland in 1654 - but his line came from Cornwall in England!! Although I can't prove it, we may all descend from this man!

    Anyway the books are: "Defenders of the Plantation of Ulster, 1641-1691" and "The Surnames of North West Ireland:Concise Histories of the Major Surnames of Gaelic and Planter Origin"
  • Michael W. Noble

    Thanks for the offers to help on the 'commissioning', but I plan to start with just a preliminary assessment. This is £25 and is used "...to consider the feasibility of research and it should not be viewed as a genealogical report in its own right. The degree to which research is successful is determined by the extent of available records." If this comes back positive, I may go further. Would like to establish a link from my know Irish ancestors in Cavan to the Nobles in Fermanagh -- if that yields any positive information, we (this group) may be able to identify matches and establish our common ancestor(s). I'll share with you whatever info I come up with. This may take 4-6 weeks, so don't look for anything mid-May at the earliest.

    John, thanks for the book references -- I'll see if my local library or LDS-FHC has copies.
  • John Noble

    Mike -- those books were just published in Nov and Dec 2009 - may not be in any libraries yet!
  • George "Pat" Noble

    I've had a recent contact with a second cousin who lives in Northern NJ, not far from where I am. She is the granddaughter of Michael and Isabel (Noble) Gordon, Isabel being my grandfather Robert J Noble's sister. This cousin's father was named Robert Noble Gordon.

    Pardon the aside, but for those looking for their Fenian roots, Michael Gordon's father was the infamous P J Gordon, who was quite active in the Land Society in late 19th century Claremorris and arrested with Parnell's boys in 1880.

    P J Gordon is quoted in a speech on 26 Sep 1880 at Clonbur, County Galway, where an assassination had taken place the day before: "In this agitation I have taken a most active part . . . I am not here as a Land Leaguer but an Irish nationalist; and if the Land League does not go far enough for the tenant farmers, and if you are prepared to take a better stand - to take the field -- I am prepared to take the sword with you."
    Source: Land and Popular Politics in Ireland: County Mayo From the Plantation to the Land War, by Donald E Jordan, Jr, 1994, pg 279

    This radical activity in the family might be why my Robert Noble acted like he was hiding from someone for most of his life in the US. He lied about his birthplace (Ocean Port, NJ instead of Enniskillen) on his kids' birth certificates and on two US censuses. He sent the kids on a mystery trip to visit the relatives in June 1930. Anyway, I'm hoping to visit this long lost cousin very soon.
  • Michael W. Noble

    The following was posted on the Noble Family Genealogy Forum (http://genforum.genealogy.com/noble/) by Donna Causey:

    I thought I'd mention to Noble/Nobles family researchers there are FREE genealogy records available on the website www.alabamapioneers.com.

    Many settlers traveled to Alabama during the early "1800's" due to the opening of the Alabama territory. They often married in Alabama, had lots of children and traveled farther west around 1837 and the Civil War. You can also find the website by searching for the word alabamapioneers.com on Google

    When you reach the site, Just type the name in the search box and remember to use various phonetic spellings since there were few schools and census workers often spelled phonetically. To lower the number of searches, type the name again, in any 2nd search box and be sure to check the box exact phrase only.
  • Michael W. Noble

    A friend of mine, Ken Blue, just joined this group. His Noble ancestors were about 5 miles down the road in Co. Longford from where my ancestors lived in Co. Cavan -- surely related, but we can't identify the connection. Yesterday, we plotted a "Migration Trail" for Nobles in Ireland, using locations that have been identified from marriage, birth and other records (not necessarily our known family members). Starting with Co. Derry and coming down through Co. Tyrone, then Enniskillen, Maguiresbridge, and several other locations in Co. Fermanagh, then to Corhanagh in Co. Cavan (my group) and Cornadrung in Co. Longford (Ken's group), you will see a fairly straight, narrow swath of Noble settlements with little deviation. This is fascinating to see how the clan members migrated southward in Ireland and makes you think that most of them were most definitely related. When we've finished this experiment and have a presentable graphic, we'll post it here for you to see.
  • John Noble

    Hey Mike and Ken -- this looks really interesting --look forward to seeing the final graphics!
  • John Noble

    I did further testing at FamilyTree DNA on the Deep Clade testing and my haplogroup is now confirmed as R1b1b2a1b and the sub-clade as R-P312 .. on the Y-Search org, there is now a Scott Noble who is in the same haplogroup but is a genetic distance of 10.. we have exchanged one email so far but since I am holidays and won't be back home till Thursday, I will have to wait to converse more - I will invite him to join this group!
  • John Scott Noble

    Hi, thx John for inviting me. My name is Scott Noble and the oldest direct ancestor is a John Noble, my great grandfather, born May 7 1850 in Belfast, son of William Noble. Both worked in the Linen Mills of Belfast. John immigrated with his family in 1873 to Canada and came to Toronto, Ontario where his descendants have been every since. I did a quick comparison of the Nobles on Ysearch and the closest is a Michael Noble, D64QD, with a distance of 7 over 67 STRs. Is the Michael on this list the same? If so I would be very interested in seeing how we might be connected.

    There is also Bruce Noble, KT95P, with a distance of 4 over 25 STRs, but I don't think he is on this list.

    Looking forward to sharing what ever I can
  • John Noble

    Hi Scott..

    Yes that Michael is the one on this group! Bruce actually had his 67 markers done but for some reason has never updated them on YSearch and I have asked him to join this group but so far he has not accepted the invitation -- although he is on genealogy wise!
  • John Scott Noble

    Thx John, I will try and contact Bruce directly through Ysearch.
  • Michael W. Noble

    Welcome Scott -- My gedcom file is posted on ancestry.com as Robert-Isabella Noble Family. Not much info on the Ireland end -- most of us on this board are related to some degree but we haven't yet found our common ancestor(s). We love to compare notes in hopes that something will turn up. If you're not on ancestry.com, let me know and I'll send you a copy of the gedcom file or a text file.
  • John Scott Noble

    Thx Michael, I am not on ancestry.com so either a gedcom or text file would be fine. From the matches on FTDNA yourself and two others, Bruce and Terry, are all at a distance of 7 within 67. Haven't checked to see which STRs are involved yet.

    Is it your general believe that we came from the border area of Scotland & England during the plantation?
  • David John Gerard

     Hello to all, I (Dave Gerard in New York, USA) am new to your site.

    My mother's father was JAMES PATERSON NOBLE (B.1906 Glasgow,Scotland) son of

     

    Robert J. Noble (b. 1860) and Janet Paterson, both of Scotland) son of

     

    William Noble (b. apx 1822, Fermanagh, Ireland) m. 1850 in Scotland to Sarah Strain (b.Tyrone, Ireland) son of

     

    John Noble (b. Fermanagh, Ireland) married to Rose Noble (b. apx. 1800, Fermanagh, Ireland) the daughter of yet another John Noble and Helen Monahan.

     

    I had hit a dead end years ago, and only recently thru Scotlands People was I able to search and obtain assorted BC /MC/ DC and Census documents. William also had brothers John (b. apx 1824) & Henry (b. apx 1829) also from County Fermanagh, Ireland.... each left Ireland, settled and married in Scotland.

     

    I have again hit a dead end..... this time in the north of Ireland.  there must be records somewhere of the marriage of  John Noble & Rose Noble and the births of their children ..........

     

    by coincidence my mother's mother was Margaret Brady from County Cavan, Ireland right next to Fermanagh.

     

    Hopefully I'll find a church project, someone in my father's mother's family (Cross in the UK) was involved in a church project in England and was able to take parts of her line back to the early 1600's.

     

    I am also searching my father's scot line, Cameron from the Aberdeen area.

     

    Thats enough for now ....primary search line here for me is NOBLE in Ireland.... any help would be greatly appreciated.  

     

    Thank you for your time and assistance.

     

    Dave

  • John Scott Noble

    Hi David, I am curious about your William Noble born approx 1822 married around 1850 s/o John Noble.

    I have traced back to a John Noble born c 1795 father of a William born 1819 who married around 1850 and had a son John born I believe May 7 1850.  William's wife died and he remarried to Elizabeth Brownlee March 16 1866.

    Would this be the same family?????

    Scott

  • Phil Noble

    I'm looking for the Irish connection for John Noble. He married in 1730 Catherine Mary Calhoun b. 1714, d. 1752. She was from Crosh Hose estate, Newton Stewart in Co Tyrone. In 1731, they left Ireland with a large group of Calhouns and went to Chestnut Level, PA, then Wytheville in Agusta County, VA then the Waxhaws Distirct on the NC/SC line and fianlly to Abbeville District in SC. John C Calhoun was descendet of this group. I have a family history, as best I could put it togther, of this group and would be happy to share - see attached or Noble Family of SC.pdf pls contact me phil@philnoble.com. Would love to hear from anyone that can help with linking John Noble back to the family in Ireland. Thanks.
  • John Noble

    After further FamilyDNA testing - it would appear that Scot and I are in the same haplogroup-- however we are a genetic distance of 10!

    This is the results!

    Your Haplogroup Tests
    R1b1a2a1a1b5 P312+ L23+ L176.2+ U152- U106- SRY2627- M65- M153- L21- L165- L1-

     

  • Terry L Noble

    Phil,

    I believe you need to contact the head of the Noble DNA group on FTDNA.  His Name is Joseph Noble Jr. and he lives in Louisiana.  I am sure he is connected to the Calhouns.

     

  • Joe Lewis

    Thanks John, for the invitation to join your group.

    Our Noble family's DNA is on its way to FTDNA.  With a looming postal strike it was sent by courier.  I am hopeful once results are in I can get through my brick wall. 

    I am tracing the line of George Noble born 1813 in Cavan.  He came to Canada in 1832 probably with other family members.  He settled in Esquesing Township, near Georgetown.  About 1850 he relocated his family to Brant Township in Bruce County.  Other Noble families on neighbouring farms were probably of some relation.

     

  • Eileen Souza

    I am researching my g-g grandfather, Edward Noble, born in Ireland about 1826. He immigrated to England, sometime prior to 1851, where he met and married Mary Devine, born about 1831 in Ireland. At this time it is unknown if they knew each other in Ireland.  Edward listed his father’s name as John Noble. Recent information on Mary Devine indicates that she was born and baptized in Co. Longford, Ireland.

    Their son, my great grandfather, Thomas Noble, was born 1851 in Liverpool, England. Edward and Mary, with their family, appear in the 1861 UK Census in Co. Durham, England and, in the mid-1860s, the family immigrated to the US to settle in Locust Gap, Northumberland County, PA.

    I am trying to trace Edward back to Ireland.  I joined this group because I understand that the highest concentration of Nobles seems to be in Northern Ireland.  Edward was Roman Catholic.

  • Dennis Noble

    My great grand father was William Noble (Ohio), son of John Noble and grandson of David Noble.

     

    William married Etta L. Smith and moved to Bloomington, IL. The couple had two sons, Harry (my grandfather) and Raymond.

    Harry Noble married Mary Margaret Moore and settled in Chicago.  The couple had 3 children, Margaret, William Thomas and my father, Harry, Jr.

    From what I have read John Noble from County Donegal (1695-1752) was the first to settle in the US in Pennsylvania and married Mary Calhoun.  I am not sure if I am related to John Noble as the trail becomes thin after Ohio in the early 1800's. 

     

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

  • Michael W. Noble

    Dennis and Eileen....Both of your histories are interesting and could provide some of the missing links in our Noble story.  I'm away from home for the holidays, so will check some of your references when I return next week.  Will let you know what I find. 

  • John Noble

    Hi Dennis - welcome to the Noble group. Hopefully, some of the others in the group might have more answers for you! Looking at your info, it dows not appear we are in the same Noble line!

  • John Noble

    Hi Group - just before Christmas, I had the opportunity to meet with Joe Lewis who lives a couple of hours away from me. She is researching Borden Noble. Borden's DNA results match similarly to Mike, Bruce & Terry!She had some photographs and one of the characteristics we noticed was a very distinctive narrow pointy chin in the males of her line and my line! Anyone else notice that in their lines?

  • Terry L Noble

    John, where is Borden's DNA result posted? I do not think have seen it.

  • John Noble

    Terry - Borden's DNA result iss on Family Tree DNA - it should match with you - there were 67 markers tested!

  • Terry L Noble

    Thanks John, I see he is a distance 4.  Not too bad. 

  • Michael W. Noble

    Anyone have a Eugene R. Noble, formerly from Idaho, in their line.  Ran across the attached obit from September 2007.

    Eugene%20R%20Noble%20Obit%20-%20091807.doc

  • James Thomas Noble

    My ancestor, John Noble, landed in NY on August 26, 1853, age 4, unaccompanied by parents. His US naturalization papers give his birth year as 1847, his mother's name was Rose, and he came from Fermanagh.

    He lived in Meriden CT with Anthony and Margaret Scollan, married Mary Moran from Co. Leitrim in 1869, and had six children. His first grandson, William Joseph Noble, was my grandfather.

    Can anyone help with Rose (Noble), Co. Fermanagh, with son John b. 1847?

    Thanks!

  • John Noble

    Hello James and welcome to the group - hopefully someone will be able to help. My ancestors came from Fermanagh as well but prior to 1840 and they came to the province of Ontario in Canada!

  • George "Pat" Noble

    Dennis -- Re your 12/28/2011 posting. I found this info at Ancestry.com.Looks detailed, but I can't verify any of it. A good set of clues, tho.

    William J Noble (b 11 Mar 1863) m Etta Louella Smith on 16 Apr 1891. William was son of James Karr Noble  (28 Jun 1829 - 24 Sep 1898) and Sara A Johnston ((1836 - 1918). James was son of David Noble (30 Sep 1795 - 15 Sep 1863) and Rebecca Karr (1796 - 1838). James was son of John Noble and Sarah Price.