Dear Richard! Exciting developments in my understanding!! Thank you so much for every historical tidbit & slice of information! I consume it all voraciously!!
I just got back from a birthday cookout for my companion's 14-year-old grandson, a wonderful boy. I took my son, but we had to leave early. It seems one of the birthday party attendees had a problem with the fact my son had to be hospitalized for a staph infection and felt he was unclean. So we left to come home. My son Ron is living with me & my companion for the time being until he is released from doctor's care. Had a case meeting about him with staff from his group home, the state department of developmental disabilities, and from his workshop. I told them I am not certain I want him returning to the group home if there is neglect like this. Group home staff denied any neglect. What can I do? It will remain a mystery where this infection began. I have serious decisions to make. Thank you for your continued interest and wonderful dedication to helping fellow genealogy researchers. I don't call myself a genealogist, because I'm not formally trained or anything. I just plug away and try to learn as much as I can while I'm doing my research. And I never like to assume anything!! I hope you don't mind, but there will be more questions to come. :)
P.S.!! ~~ I'm so happy for you Sweden won their Soccer match!! Over here the official start of the NFL (American) Football season is next weekend! We love our brand of Football, too! :)
It's nice to hear that you find the information I gave you interesting.
Your family on your fathers side is deeply involved in the mining business.
A very important part of Swedish history.
Swedish steel has always been highly regarded by rest of the world.
And it's due to men like your ancestors.
I am glad to hear your son is doing better!
But I am sorry to hear that the staff from the group home aren't willing to accept the possibility that something they are doing is wrong.
It's is so important for our society to take care of those in need.
It is commonly regarded as a sort of measuring point, how we treat our sick and disabled. And I am appalled to se the destruction of the social wellfare that is happening today. Not just in the States, but here in Sweden as well.
I am also sad to hear about the birthday cockout.
People are just mean!
I don't think that the doctors would have allowed your son to be out and about if he was still infectous.
But on the other hand I understand the other persons standpoint as well.
They might not be wellinformed about that kind of staph infection.
I hope the situation resolves itself soon, both for you and your partner but more so for your son!
Yes Sweden won!
Really fun for us. We needed this win. We still have a chance at the World Cup!
On the other hand it might be a blessing in disguise if we didn't make it.
The general felling among the Swedes are that the Football Manager (Soccer for you americans) for the National Teams has stayed with the team for so long.
And a failure to get us to the World Cup would be the last nail in his coffin.
Your style of football are played over here as well. Here in Skåne where I live we have two of the best football teams (american style) in the country and in western Europe I should think.
If you have any more questions do not hesitate to ask!
I am more than willing to help if I can.
And you ARE a genealogist, an amateur genealogist, but still a genealogist.
I am not a professional myself. Only been researching since last december and I have lot's to learn.
I have just started to get in to the business of ordering and going through the probate records. This would give me a better insight as to what my ancestor life would have looked.
Reliable Data.
Doing good research does require evaluating all the evidence you can get. Using HERs [HFL] is a wonderful guide but the official records in Sweden are birth and death books when they exist. After you find the information in the HER, checking the birth book is the best thing you could do. Birth (actually christening) records are done at the time of the event by the priest and so are about as reliable as you can get.
Abreviations.
Swedish records (and even daily newspapers) use lots of abreviations. The books previously mentioned explain many important details about the records.
Here is an example. At least in birth records, people names are typically preceded by occupation or title. Dr Johannes Andersson o Hustru Ingrid... this does not mean doctor Dr = dräng = farmworker H = Hustru = wife o = och = and
Because so many have the same name, occupation is essential. Even in phone books today, occupation/title is listed to help differentiate people. Record the occupation with your data. You may need it later.
Dear Richard ~ Thank you for your wonderful personal comments and salutations. I was up way past 5 a.m. again researching. I am getting a little bogged down. There are several branches now, and I must take a moment to organize who is who and keep the relationships straight in order to pursue finding birth records, and so forth. I find the older the record, the poorer the handwriting. It figures -- no complaints. I just must redouble my efforts to be careful of misidentifying someone. Questions shall follow eventually -- in a day or so -- it's a holiday weekend over here. "Labor Day" honors the hard-working Union men and women, but actually all hard-working people.
God bless Sweden for keeping such wonderfully organized records! The U.S. is not quite 250 years old, but even with modern computers and whatnot, there could sure stand to be improvement in record-keeping, archival, accessibility, and safekeeping. God bless the Swedish education system for teaching English to its young people. God bless you for your generous spirit. I'll talk with you soon. ~ Best regards, Sue
Lynn, I find your messages on different topics related to researching my Swedish roots very helpful. Today's about the importance of checking birth records and knowing usage of abbreviations in Swedish records is a good one. Many family records show up "Dr," and I knew there weren't that many doctors in the neighborhood (lol). Of course, I'd found the title dräng early on and looked it up, but the abbreviations information is newer to me. Thank you for your dedication to good genealogy research!! ~ Best regards, Sue
P.S.~ I've bought tapes to learn, dictionaries, etc., but it's not easy wrapping my Midwest American tongue around some of those Swedish vowels! I'd like to learn a little conversational Swedish anyway to experience the heritage of which I am so proud, and to not be the "Ugly American" when I visit someday. :)
Been helping a few people here a couple of times. Love all the members here. All nice and helpful.
However, now it's my turn to ask for help. And I hope my questions aren't that problematic.
I would of course love any and all information you guys could help out with, but I do understand that would to big a task.
So first of all, I would love to get my hands on the different census data for my targets.
If you guys could make a pdf or even a print screen of the different censuses I would be grateful.
My targets are as follows:
Johannes Hansson Nilén (b. 20 March 1871, Sweden)
His family was with him: Eva Charlotta Nilén (b. 31 October 1871, Sweden) Judith Charlotta Elisabeth (b. 25 August 1894, Sweden) Edith Ingeborg Evelina (b. 13 March 1898, Sweden) Gösta Johan Georg (b. 22 May 1901, Sweden)
They emigrated on 6 August 1903, destination New York. Arrived in Ellis Island, New York 8 September 1903 on the ship S.S United States.
Their final destination was, according to the Ellis Island record, the home of O Bergqvist, 5731 Carpenter Str., Chicago IL.
Next target is:
Artur Hilding Fredrik Fick (b. 8 July 1903, Sweden)
Emigrated on 17 August 1929.
Destination: Chicago, IL.
Axel Leonard Fick (b. 28 August 1905, Sweden)
Emigrated on 28 April 1928.
Destination: Chicago, IL.
As I said, would love to start with the information from the censuses.
At the library I looked for your people on Ancestry.com which has US Census images on line with indexing. They also search some other data base files like Emihamn, Social Security Death Index, some state death indexes, etc.
1 Johannes Hansson Nilen *1871 (also Nelen and Nylen)
Found a bit of his family... more later.
2 Artur Hilding F Fick *1903
Found one - ship arrival in New York 26 Aug 1929 on Drottningholm from Göteborg. Him?
3 Axel L Fick *1905
Emihamn matches your emigration date and shows him from Hinneryd in Kronobergs län.Perhaps that was your source. Are Artur and Axel brothers?
Back to Johannes. He went by John Nelen in US Census records (understandable). Were they from Norrland???
In the 1910 census John and Eva Nelen show up at 1748 West Ohio St with him as head of houshold. He is machinist at a machine shop. Daughter Julia (all records show Julia) is a bookkeeper at an office. Julia E 17, Edith Ed 12, George J 8 and Emil Bergquist 22 brother-in-law, a tie-cutter in the neckware industry. There neighbors were Christina (looked like Christian to me but listed as female) a Norwegian, with children Minnie 13 and Roy C 11. They may be sharing the rental unit.Not sure. In Chicago ward 14 Cook county, IL.
In the 1920 census we find John Nelen 48, Eva Nelen 47 and Julia 25 and George 18. They were living at 5627 Justine St with John as a machinist in the automobile industry. Julia is a clerk at [looks like "Boston" to me] store ??? George is a carpenter in a coffin factory.
Interestingly Julia is listed as married but no sign of a husband. (Note that Eva shows as male.) All four show as arriving in the US in 1902 and becoming naturalized citizens in 1908. In Chicago ward 31.
I found no sign of them in 1930 census!
In SSDI (Social Security Death Index) I found a death for George Nelen with your birth date. He died [no date] November 1982 at Burbank, Cook, IL zip code 60459. SSN 325-03-1554 (I suggest you note this. It may be helpful later.) Another listing shows 28 October 1982 as death date. Ask me about this if you want.
Cook County IL death index 1908-1988
An Eva Nelen died 27 Nov 1926 file number 6031955. Probably her, which would explain why I did not find her in 1930.
Hopefully attached you will see images of 3 pages.
(i will have to email them to you. If someone wants to see census pages, email me.)
I answered your "questions" the same way you asked them, by using the numbers.
1. Looking forward to the information.
2. That seems to be my Artur Hilding Fredrik Fick.
3. That seems to be the correct Axel Leonard Fick.
And yes, they are brothers.
Information about Johannes and family:
Johannes and his wife were NOT from Norrland.
Johannes was born in Högseröd, Skåne (Scaniae) and Eva was born in Fägre, Skaraborg.
I can understand their reason to make their names more "american".
Neither Hansson nor Nilén is that easy for americans to pronounce.
So from here on they would be using the name John, Eva, Julia, Edith and George?
In the 1920 census Edith is nowhere to be seen? Or has she married and moved on?
And they are all gone by 1930? Or is it just that they have slipped through the cracks?
If both George and his mother died in Cook County, IL, in which newspapers would I go and look for their obits?
I understand that obits in the US is a rather good source of information.
I'm going to send you my email-addy in a pm to you Lynn.
Hello, Richard ~
I, too, was researching your ancestors on Ancestry. I didn't get as far as with the Fick brothers as Lynn did, however. I, too, could not find Johannes & Eva in 1930 Census. For obituaries, try the Chicago Tribune, founded 1847. During the late 1800's to early part of the 20th Century, it was called the Chicago Daily Tribune. There were also: Chicago Daily Journal, Chicago Evening Post, Chicago Record Herald (later called Herald Examiner), the Inter Ocean, and the American. But the Chicago (Daily) Tribune is the longest standing. In latter 20th Century, there is the Chicago Sun-Times.
Richard,
Comments on your comments.
[Johannes and his wife were NOT from Norrland]
Just thought I would ask. A similar name arrived in USA May 1902 but was from Västranorrlands län.
[So from here on they would be using the name John, Eva, Julia, Edith and George?] We can only assume. The census taker may have Americanized the names. But I will guess the family made the change since the 1920 census is the same names.
[In the 1920 census Edith is nowhere to be seen? Or has she married and moved on?] Probably the latter but we dont know from the evidence. Census takers only count people AT THE SITE when they visited the household. For example... If she was still resident there but off to college, she would not be counted at the house.
[And they are all gone by 1930? Or is it just that they have slipped through the cracks?] Indexing of the census are far from perfect. And USA is abig place.
[I understand that obits in the US is a rather good source of information.] People like to list lots of relations in obits but no one says you need to spend the money for an obit. And in a big city who might read it. I did an obit for my father but I am a genealogist and wanted to leave a record. With computers they are getting a lot easier to search.
Not finding more on the Fick brothers was a disapointment. It is such an unusual name. May be they thought so too and changed it. My search was by no means exhaustive. It was just what I could do in a visit to the library.
When you search for a person, ALL the facts you know may be helpful. Everything. And --where-- the data came from may give a clue how reliable it may be. Data recorded at the time of the event is better. Example... birth records are good. They are posted by official recorders at the moment. Another... death certificate data about the person's origins are reported often by people who have only hearsay. And no one checks how reliable it is. I even have misgivings about cause of death... my mothers death certificate. I would say she died of cancer but the certificate does not mention it.
Everything we research is another -fact- to add to the probability.
Sorry for carrying on. If genealogy was easy we would type in a few names and the computer would spit out everything and we could go away happy.
Just thought I would ask. A similar name arrived in USA May 1902 but was from Västranorrlands län. Ok, Not a very common name but not my targets.
We can only assume. The census taker may have Americanized the names. But I will guess the family made the change since the 1920 census is the same names. Probably, some of their original names are rather to say in "English".
Probably the latter but we dont know from the evidence. Census takers only count people AT THE SITE when they visited the household. For example... If she was still resident there but off to college, she would not be counted at the house. So the most logical assumption is that she is married by this time. A working class immigrated family in 1920 probably wouldn't have had the possibility to go to college.
Indexing of the census are far from perfect. And USA is abig place. Big is a good term to use. But still not bad that some many are indexed.
People like to list lots of relations in obits but no one says you need to spend the money for an obit. And in a big city who might read it. I did an obit for my father but I am a genealogist and wanted to leave a record. With computers they are getting a lot easier to search.
Ok, but you still think that I should try and find the obits? And I do understand about your decision about your fathers obit.
Not finding more on the Fick brothers was a disapointment. It is such an unusual name. May be they thought so too and changed it. My search was by no means exhaustive. It was just what I could do in a visit to the library. It is a rather unusal name. I think it is a german name from the start but I have no evidence so far.
In the censusimage you mailed me about Artur Fick it says he is Russian and Jewish. That is the only thing that worries me about that find.
But I still thank you for your help. It is a great thing that we can help each other out.
Richard ~
Not to step into the middle of this dialog between you and Lynn about the Fick brothers (but it looks like that is exactly what I am about to do), when I was looking in the 1930 Census record for the Fick brothers in Cook County, IL, I noticed there were many families with the name Fick, and most indicated Germany for their parental nativitiy. Being your Fick ancestors' parentage was Sweden, I didn't waste further time studying the names. Still looking.
"My great-great-great-grandfather and grandmother: Per-Gustaf Zetterberg born 1844 in Gävle, Sweden Married January 22 1869 to Carolina Zetterström born 1845 in Säter
Child: Per Teodor Zetterberg born Oct 27 1869 in Gävle; died October 17, 1951 in Sweden Married to Emma Kristina Andersson born 1867; died 1909
Child: Fabian Zetterberg born. April 04, 1893, Sweden d. August 22, 1972, Uniondale, Nassau, New York. Immigrated to USA Feb 22 1911 from Gothenburg to Waterbury, CT. He married Hilda Johnson June 04, 1917, daughter of Peter Johnson and Amelia Anderson. She was born December 16, 1895 in Brooklyn, Manhattan, NY, and died October 05, 1991. Fabian Zetterberg and Hilda Johnson are my great-grandparents.
I would love to find Hilda’s grandparent’s information and more on her father Peter Johnson. I would also like to go beyond Per-Gustaf Zetterberg if possible. I totally understand that this is time consuming. I would appreciate anything you find."
Any help out there?
Yeah, I'm still wondering the fact that "my" Artur Fick was stated as a russian and jewish in the census. Very weird.
Ít might have been that the person taking the census just assumed that everybody in that houshold were russian and jewish and that he didn't bother checking.
Sue,
For Hilda, best would be to get a birth certificate. It may give some info about Peter and Amelia as they often do. Have you exhausted Ancestry.com data? Census for 1900 and 1910? Has someone out there done New York City reaearch? Sounds like a challenge.
For Zetterberg and Zetterström hopefully the less common names will help. Note that the city of Gävle has several parish churches. And do you know if it was Gävle for sure? Someone could say their grandparents were from Gävle and what they really mean was a little village near Gävle. Maybe a name search will find those names (try GenLine?). As always, look for a household examination first [HFL]. That is the once-a-year Swedish church census.
FYI Gävle is in Gävleborgs län and the residence city (=county seat). It is up the coast from Stockholm maybe 200 km in the bottom of Norrland (one of the three general regions of Sweden). Lots of trees.
Richard,
Yes, I saw the Russian Jew notes. I think the match is close enough to check further. Your analysis of the census taker is believable. Although for a Swede it looks like a stretch.
Lynn, Thank you. Will pass it along to interested party. Have told them of Genwise.com. To Richard, I don't know about the Artur Fick in NY 1930 Census. Yes, Lynn is right to give it a deeper analysis, but I'd keep looking.... There's got to be an explanation other than a broad misrepresentation of an individual's birth parents' nativity? Surely these fact-gatherers were a bit more conscientious than that! (I have seen some poor census records and some very precise records.) How can both brothers just vanish by the 1930 Census, though? Richard, did you get the memo I sent via genealogywise.com? Any other names there that ring a bell to pursue for more information about the Fick Brothers? Y'know I also thought (admittedly an "out there" notion) that they became disenchanted with the USA -- arriving at a time just before we plunged into the Great Depression -- and they decided to try elsewhere for their fortune. Crazy notion?
Yeah, I think the analysis is believable as well.
I just wish the U.S government had been just as good as the Swedish in regards of keeping track of their citizens. ;)
I have to agree with Lynn!
You/we really need more information about Hildas parents.
Do you know if they are of Swedish lineage as well?
I did a quick check of the Zetterbergs and some checks on the Zetterströms.
I believe I have found the parents of the GGG grandfather and GGG grandmother.
However, I haven't been able to verify that data to the standard I hold for my own research so, I wouldn't use that information just yet in my own family tree.
The possible parents of the GGG grandfather: Per Säterberg (Zetterberg) and Anna Persdotter.
The possible parents of the GGG grandmother: Johan Säterström (Zetterberg) and Anna Cajsa Boström.
The task of verifying them as parents is as always to follow the in the Household Examination Records. But för Gävle, that is a big task.
There somewhere in the region of 2000-4000 pages and no complete index over the persons living there!
And as for the notes you posted on the Fick brothers:
First of all, don't think I got that memo you sent through genealogywise.com.
Second of all, I do hope that the censustakers were conscientious enough to get the facts correct.
I won't give up my search about the Fick brothers. They are however on a sidebranch in my family tree and will have to wait for a while. That is if I can't find any new information about them.
The SwedGen Tour 2009 have started, they touring from WA to MN in US with start 3th Dec in Worcester, WA. They have lectures, workshops and have one-on-one sessions.
Looking for information about and any descendants of my below listed ancestors.
First Generation
1. Emma Della Johnson 1 was born on 4 Jul 1879 in Beaver Twp., Iroquois Co., Illinois.
Second Generation
2. Gustaf Adolf Johnson 2 was born on 6 Jul 1825 in Lommaryd, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He died on 7 Jul 1908 in Paxton, Ford Co., Illinois. He was buried on 9 Jul 1908 in Glen Cemetery, Paxton, Ford Co., Illinois. He married Ida Josephine Anderson on 12 Mar 1878 in Iroquois Co., IL.
3. Ida Josephine Anderson 3 was born on 22 Sep 1846 in Adelof, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. She died on 18 Nov 1927 in Urbana, Champaign Co., Illinois. She was buried on 20 Nov 1927 in Glen Cemetery, Paxton, Ford Co., Illinois.
Third Generation
4. Johannes Johansson was born on 16 Sep 1796 in V. Ryd, Sweden. He died in 1892 in Blackarp, Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He married Maja Stina Larsdotter on 29 Dec 1818 in Lommaryd, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
5. Maja Stina Larsdotter was born on 16 Apr 1795 in Lommaryd, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. She died on 19 Nov 1838 in Blackarp, Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
6. Anders Fredrick Persson was born on 18 Dec 1803 in Linderas, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He died on 22 Jul 1892 in Adelov, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He married Sara Svensdotter on 27 Sep 1829 in Adelof, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
7. Sara Svensdotter was born on 10 Jan 1804 in Grankarr, Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. She died on 19 Feb 1891 in Adelov, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
Fourth Generation
10. Jons Larsson was born about 1768. He married Anna Maja Andersdotter about 1789 in Sweden.
11. Anna Maja Andersdotter was born about 1770.
12. Peter Larsson was born in 1773 in Laby, Uppsala lan, Sweden. He married Stina Persdotter on 25 Jun 1800 in Linderas, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
13. Stina Persdotter was born in 1774 in Linderas, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
14. Sven Svensson was born on 1 May 1766 in Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He married Stina Larsdotter on 24 Jun 1792 in Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
15. Stina Larsdotter was born on 13 Jan 1768 in Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
I would like to get the probate records of my Great-great grandfather who dies in Rölanda in 1905. Does anyone know where I could get this information?
If you by probate records mean the records of the administrations and distribution of the deceaseds persons estate, then you will be able to get the records from the Landsarkiv in Gothenburg.
You can order these records online and have them sent to you by email.
I must tell you though that there might be a cost for the records. About 80 cent per page and if they don't get all the information they need an additional cost of about 12-15$ / 15min might be imposed.
I am however not sure if the charge requests that are to be answered by email or requests from abroad.
Hi! I am searching for the link that puts my grandfather back in Sweden. Working backwards, here is the information:
1903 - records show his as Carl Lavender
1900 - marries my grandmother Ida C Carlson under the name of Charles Levander
1861 - born in Sweden (according to 1900 census)
The 1900 and the 1910 US census in Washington State show that he immigrated in 1893 from Sweden. But, I can find no record of him arriving in the US or leaving Sweden. Therefore, I have no way of starting to look for him in Sweden.
I don't know if you have checked the Ellis Island passenger lists.
I did a quick check and I think I found Carl, Ida and a child named Ruth entering via Ellis Island on Sep 7 1902.
They were heading for Seattle, WA.
Thanks Richard. I did have that information. My grandparents and their 1 year old daughter Ruth had been back to Sweden to visit my grandmother's family. Maybe Carl's too, but I don't know.
I was hoping to find records of Carl's original emigration or immigration. I have lots more information, but nothing predating the 1899 entry in the Seattle City Directory showing Charles Levander as the proprietor of the Norman House for lodging.
I have been able to trace my grandmother, Ida, quite a ways back into Sweden. Through Genline's online records, it was quite easy. Carl on the other hand is a challenge.
Anyone ever heard of an area referred to in a Household record as follows: Gofve Quarry? (Gove) I am sure that is what the record shows. It would have been within Skaraborgs Lan and probably somewhere within an area just below Falkoping, possibly very near Floby Parish. Any help would be appreciated.
Also, I am in desperate need of a map that will show all parishes <1900 or so. I have one for Skaraborgs Lan and need all others that show parishes by Lan during the 1800s. The FHL has a film but I have no access through the small LDS church here. Any help to find these maps elsewhere would greatly be appreciated.
I think you are right, the Quarn did not occur to me before, and that sure could be an H instead of a "G". I will check out pages 40 and 90 too. Lars was born in Bitterna as I have other records on him that are perfectly legible. Thanks so much, if you by chance find anything else. let me know. I still need to find him and follow through from Bitterna, maybe he will show up on another earlier household or moving record. Thanks again! I am desperate for the parish maps as I listed on my other comment, in case you may know the whereabouts of those.
There were also some Swedes who immigrated through Boston. It was mostly Irish and others but Swedes came in this way also. That is where our ancestors came through just before 1890. Those looking might want to check there also.
Nordic Symposium in Southern California Feb 5-6. This years The Nordic Explorers: From Polar Frontiers to the Silk Road. For anyone interested in things Scandinavian. World class presenters and a small group. Linnaeus, Nansen, Hedin, sking across Baffin, Stefansson, Norman Borlaug, and in the style of Victor Borge. Email me for more info.
I would love to go, but have several other conferences to attend this year and a 3 week trip to Salt Lake so California is out. Just too far from Nebraska!
louise duncalf
Sep 5, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
In the 1900 census, is there no birthdate mentioned?
//Richard
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louise duncalf
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louise duncalf
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louise duncalf
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Sue Pearson Greichunos
I just got back from a birthday cookout for my companion's 14-year-old grandson, a wonderful boy. I took my son, but we had to leave early. It seems one of the birthday party attendees had a problem with the fact my son had to be hospitalized for a staph infection and felt he was unclean. So we left to come home. My son Ron is living with me & my companion for the time being until he is released from doctor's care. Had a case meeting about him with staff from his group home, the state department of developmental disabilities, and from his workshop. I told them I am not certain I want him returning to the group home if there is neglect like this. Group home staff denied any neglect. What can I do? It will remain a mystery where this infection began. I have serious decisions to make. Thank you for your continued interest and wonderful dedication to helping fellow genealogy researchers. I don't call myself a genealogist, because I'm not formally trained or anything. I just plug away and try to learn as much as I can while I'm doing my research. And I never like to assume anything!! I hope you don't mind, but there will be more questions to come. :)
Sep 5, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
Sep 5, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
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Louise!
Yes, I mean Swan and Hannahs birthdates!
They are the only people born in Sweden.
They are the ony people I can even try to trace!
///Richard
Sep 5, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Sue!
It's nice to hear that you find the information I gave you interesting.
Your family on your fathers side is deeply involved in the mining business.
A very important part of Swedish history.
Swedish steel has always been highly regarded by rest of the world.
And it's due to men like your ancestors.
I am glad to hear your son is doing better!
But I am sorry to hear that the staff from the group home aren't willing to accept the possibility that something they are doing is wrong.
It's is so important for our society to take care of those in need.
It is commonly regarded as a sort of measuring point, how we treat our sick and disabled. And I am appalled to se the destruction of the social wellfare that is happening today. Not just in the States, but here in Sweden as well.
I am also sad to hear about the birthday cockout.
People are just mean!
I don't think that the doctors would have allowed your son to be out and about if he was still infectous.
But on the other hand I understand the other persons standpoint as well.
They might not be wellinformed about that kind of staph infection.
I hope the situation resolves itself soon, both for you and your partner but more so for your son!
Yes Sweden won!
Really fun for us. We needed this win. We still have a chance at the World Cup!
On the other hand it might be a blessing in disguise if we didn't make it.
The general felling among the Swedes are that the Football Manager (Soccer for you americans) for the National Teams has stayed with the team for so long.
And a failure to get us to the World Cup would be the last nail in his coffin.
Your style of football are played over here as well. Here in Skåne where I live we have two of the best football teams (american style) in the country and in western Europe I should think.
If you have any more questions do not hesitate to ask!
I am more than willing to help if I can.
And you ARE a genealogist, an amateur genealogist, but still a genealogist.
I am not a professional myself. Only been researching since last december and I have lot's to learn.
I have just started to get in to the business of ordering and going through the probate records. This would give me a better insight as to what my ancestor life would have looked.
Hope to hear from you soon!
//RIchard
Sep 5, 2009
Lynn Anderson
Doing good research does require evaluating all the evidence you can get. Using HERs [HFL] is a wonderful guide but the official records in Sweden are birth and death books when they exist. After you find the information in the HER, checking the birth book is the best thing you could do. Birth (actually christening) records are done at the time of the event by the priest and so are about as reliable as you can get.
Abreviations.
Swedish records (and even daily newspapers) use lots of abreviations. The books previously mentioned explain many important details about the records.
Here is an example. At least in birth records, people names are typically preceded by occupation or title. Dr Johannes Andersson o Hustru Ingrid... this does not mean doctor Dr = dräng = farmworker H = Hustru = wife o = och = and
Because so many have the same name, occupation is essential. Even in phone books today, occupation/title is listed to help differentiate people. Record the occupation with your data. You may need it later.
Sep 6, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
God bless Sweden for keeping such wonderfully organized records! The U.S. is not quite 250 years old, but even with modern computers and whatnot, there could sure stand to be improvement in record-keeping, archival, accessibility, and safekeeping. God bless the Swedish education system for teaching English to its young people. God bless you for your generous spirit. I'll talk with you soon. ~ Best regards, Sue
Sep 6, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
Sep 6, 2009
Annelie Jonsson
An other is Hans Högman's Genealogy and Historical Site http://www.algonet.se/~hogman/swegen.htm
/Annelie
Sep 10, 2009
Annelie Jonsson
At Lingofriends you can teach someone your language and in exchange you can learn swedish . It's free.
Sep 15, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
Sep 15, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
Sep 15, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Been helping a few people here a couple of times. Love all the members here. All nice and helpful.
However, now it's my turn to ask for help. And I hope my questions aren't that problematic.
I would of course love any and all information you guys could help out with, but I do understand that would to big a task.
So first of all, I would love to get my hands on the different census data for my targets.
If you guys could make a pdf or even a print screen of the different censuses I would be grateful.
My targets are as follows:
Johannes Hansson Nilén (b. 20 March 1871, Sweden)
His family was with him:
Eva Charlotta Nilén (b. 31 October 1871, Sweden)
Judith Charlotta Elisabeth (b. 25 August 1894, Sweden)
Edith Ingeborg Evelina (b. 13 March 1898, Sweden)
Gösta Johan Georg (b. 22 May 1901, Sweden)
They emigrated on 6 August 1903, destination New York.
Arrived in Ellis Island, New York 8 September 1903 on the ship S.S United States.
Their final destination was, according to the Ellis Island record, the home of O Bergqvist, 5731 Carpenter Str., Chicago IL.
Next target is:
Artur Hilding Fredrik Fick (b. 8 July 1903, Sweden)
Emigrated on 17 August 1929.
Destination: Chicago, IL.
Axel Leonard Fick (b. 28 August 1905, Sweden)
Emigrated on 28 April 1928.
Destination: Chicago, IL.
As I said, would love to start with the information from the censuses.
Sep 17, 2009
Lynn Anderson
At the library I looked for your people on Ancestry.com which has US Census images on line with indexing. They also search some other data base files like Emihamn, Social Security Death Index, some state death indexes, etc.
1 Johannes Hansson Nilen *1871 (also Nelen and Nylen)
Found a bit of his family... more later.
2 Artur Hilding F Fick *1903
Found one - ship arrival in New York 26 Aug 1929 on Drottningholm from Göteborg. Him?
3 Axel L Fick *1905
Emihamn matches your emigration date and shows him from Hinneryd in Kronobergs län.Perhaps that was your source. Are Artur and Axel brothers?
Back to Johannes. He went by John Nelen in US Census records (understandable). Were they from Norrland???
In the 1910 census John and Eva Nelen show up at 1748 West Ohio St with him as head of houshold. He is machinist at a machine shop. Daughter Julia (all records show Julia) is a bookkeeper at an office. Julia E 17, Edith Ed 12, George J 8 and Emil Bergquist 22 brother-in-law, a tie-cutter in the neckware industry. There neighbors were Christina (looked like Christian to me but listed as female) a Norwegian, with children Minnie 13 and Roy C 11. They may be sharing the rental unit.Not sure. In Chicago ward 14 Cook county, IL.
In the 1920 census we find John Nelen 48, Eva Nelen 47 and Julia 25 and George 18. They were living at 5627 Justine St with John as a machinist in the automobile industry. Julia is a clerk at [looks like "Boston" to me] store ??? George is a carpenter in a coffin factory.
Interestingly Julia is listed as married but no sign of a husband. (Note that Eva shows as male.) All four show as arriving in the US in 1902 and becoming naturalized citizens in 1908. In Chicago ward 31.
I found no sign of them in 1930 census!
In SSDI (Social Security Death Index) I found a death for George Nelen with your birth date. He died [no date] November 1982 at Burbank, Cook, IL zip code 60459. SSN 325-03-1554 (I suggest you note this. It may be helpful later.) Another listing shows 28 October 1982 as death date. Ask me about this if you want.
Cook County IL death index 1908-1988
An Eva Nelen died 27 Nov 1926 file number 6031955. Probably her, which would explain why I did not find her in 1930.
Hopefully attached you will see images of 3 pages.
(i will have to email them to you. If someone wants to see census pages, email me.)
Sep 18, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
It was nice of you trying to help me.
I answered your "questions" the same way you asked them, by using the numbers.
1. Looking forward to the information.
2. That seems to be my Artur Hilding Fredrik Fick.
3. That seems to be the correct Axel Leonard Fick.
And yes, they are brothers.
Information about Johannes and family:
Johannes and his wife were NOT from Norrland.
Johannes was born in Högseröd, Skåne (Scaniae) and Eva was born in Fägre, Skaraborg.
I can understand their reason to make their names more "american".
Neither Hansson nor Nilén is that easy for americans to pronounce.
So from here on they would be using the name John, Eva, Julia, Edith and George?
In the 1920 census Edith is nowhere to be seen? Or has she married and moved on?
And they are all gone by 1930? Or is it just that they have slipped through the cracks?
If both George and his mother died in Cook County, IL, in which newspapers would I go and look for their obits?
I understand that obits in the US is a rather good source of information.
I'm going to send you my email-addy in a pm to you Lynn.
And btw....A huge thank you for the help!
Sep 18, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
I, too, was researching your ancestors on Ancestry. I didn't get as far as with the Fick brothers as Lynn did, however. I, too, could not find Johannes & Eva in 1930 Census. For obituaries, try the Chicago Tribune, founded 1847. During the late 1800's to early part of the 20th Century, it was called the Chicago Daily Tribune. There were also: Chicago Daily Journal, Chicago Evening Post, Chicago Record Herald (later called Herald Examiner), the Inter Ocean, and the American. But the Chicago (Daily) Tribune is the longest standing. In latter 20th Century, there is the Chicago Sun-Times.
Sep 18, 2009
Lynn Anderson
Comments on your comments.
[Johannes and his wife were NOT from Norrland]
Just thought I would ask. A similar name arrived in USA May 1902 but was from Västranorrlands län.
[So from here on they would be using the name John, Eva, Julia, Edith and George?] We can only assume. The census taker may have Americanized the names. But I will guess the family made the change since the 1920 census is the same names.
[In the 1920 census Edith is nowhere to be seen? Or has she married and moved on?] Probably the latter but we dont know from the evidence. Census takers only count people AT THE SITE when they visited the household. For example... If she was still resident there but off to college, she would not be counted at the house.
[And they are all gone by 1930? Or is it just that they have slipped through the cracks?] Indexing of the census are far from perfect. And USA is abig place.
[I understand that obits in the US is a rather good source of information.] People like to list lots of relations in obits but no one says you need to spend the money for an obit. And in a big city who might read it. I did an obit for my father but I am a genealogist and wanted to leave a record. With computers they are getting a lot easier to search.
Not finding more on the Fick brothers was a disapointment. It is such an unusual name. May be they thought so too and changed it. My search was by no means exhaustive. It was just what I could do in a visit to the library.
Sep 19, 2009
Lynn Anderson
Everything we research is another -fact- to add to the probability.
Sorry for carrying on. If genealogy was easy we would type in a few names and the computer would spit out everything and we could go away happy.
Sep 19, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Thank you for your help with the different papers in which I might find the obits for people living in Chicago.
Sep 19, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Comments on your comments about my comments. ;)
Just thought I would ask. A similar name arrived in USA May 1902 but was from Västranorrlands län.
Ok, Not a very common name but not my targets.
We can only assume. The census taker may have Americanized the names. But I will guess the family made the change since the 1920 census is the same names.
Probably, some of their original names are rather to say in "English".
Probably the latter but we dont know from the evidence. Census takers only count people AT THE SITE when they visited the household. For example... If she was still resident there but off to college, she would not be counted at the house.
So the most logical assumption is that she is married by this time. A working class immigrated family in 1920 probably wouldn't have had the possibility to go to college.
Indexing of the census are far from perfect. And USA is abig place.
Big is a good term to use. But still not bad that some many are indexed.
People like to list lots of relations in obits but no one says you need to spend the money for an obit. And in a big city who might read it. I did an obit for my father but I am a genealogist and wanted to leave a record. With computers they are getting a lot easier to search.
Ok, but you still think that I should try and find the obits? And I do understand about your decision about your fathers obit.
Not finding more on the Fick brothers was a disapointment. It is such an unusual name. May be they thought so too and changed it. My search was by no means exhaustive. It was just what I could do in a visit to the library.
It is a rather unusal name. I think it is a german name from the start but I have no evidence so far.
In the censusimage you mailed me about Artur Fick it says he is Russian and Jewish. That is the only thing that worries me about that find.
But I still thank you for your help. It is a great thing that we can help each other out.
Sep 19, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
Not to step into the middle of this dialog between you and Lynn about the Fick brothers (but it looks like that is exactly what I am about to do), when I was looking in the 1930 Census record for the Fick brothers in Cook County, IL, I noticed there were many families with the name Fick, and most indicated Germany for their parental nativitiy. Being your Fick ancestors' parentage was Sweden, I didn't waste further time studying the names. Still looking.
Sep 19, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
"My great-great-great-grandfather and grandmother: Per-Gustaf Zetterberg born 1844 in Gävle, Sweden Married January 22 1869 to Carolina Zetterström born 1845 in Säter
Child: Per Teodor Zetterberg born Oct 27 1869 in Gävle; died October 17, 1951 in Sweden Married to Emma Kristina Andersson born 1867; died 1909
Child: Fabian Zetterberg born. April 04, 1893, Sweden d. August 22, 1972, Uniondale, Nassau, New York. Immigrated to USA Feb 22 1911 from Gothenburg to Waterbury, CT. He married Hilda Johnson June 04, 1917, daughter of Peter Johnson and Amelia Anderson. She was born December 16, 1895 in Brooklyn, Manhattan, NY, and died October 05, 1991. Fabian Zetterberg and Hilda Johnson are my great-grandparents.
I would love to find Hilda’s grandparent’s information and more on her father Peter Johnson. I would also like to go beyond Per-Gustaf Zetterberg if possible. I totally understand that this is time consuming. I would appreciate anything you find."
Any help out there?
Sep 20, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Yeah, I'm still wondering the fact that "my" Artur Fick was stated as a russian and jewish in the census. Very weird.
Ít might have been that the person taking the census just assumed that everybody in that houshold were russian and jewish and that he didn't bother checking.
Sep 20, 2009
Lynn Anderson
For Hilda, best would be to get a birth certificate. It may give some info about Peter and Amelia as they often do. Have you exhausted Ancestry.com data? Census for 1900 and 1910? Has someone out there done New York City reaearch? Sounds like a challenge.
For Zetterberg and Zetterström hopefully the less common names will help. Note that the city of Gävle has several parish churches. And do you know if it was Gävle for sure? Someone could say their grandparents were from Gävle and what they really mean was a little village near Gävle. Maybe a name search will find those names (try GenLine?). As always, look for a household examination first [HFL]. That is the once-a-year Swedish church census.
FYI Gävle is in Gävleborgs län and the residence city (=county seat). It is up the coast from Stockholm maybe 200 km in the bottom of Norrland (one of the three general regions of Sweden). Lots of trees.
Sep 20, 2009
Lynn Anderson
Yes, I saw the Russian Jew notes. I think the match is close enough to check further. Your analysis of the census taker is believable. Although for a Swede it looks like a stretch.
Sep 20, 2009
Sue Pearson Greichunos
Sep 21, 2009
Lynn Anderson
Sep 21, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Lynn!
Yeah, I think the analysis is believable as well.
I just wish the U.S government had been just as good as the Swedish in regards of keeping track of their citizens. ;)
Sep 21, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Sue!
I have to agree with Lynn!
You/we really need more information about Hildas parents.
Do you know if they are of Swedish lineage as well?
I did a quick check of the Zetterbergs and some checks on the Zetterströms.
I believe I have found the parents of the GGG grandfather and GGG grandmother.
However, I haven't been able to verify that data to the standard I hold for my own research so, I wouldn't use that information just yet in my own family tree.
The possible parents of the GGG grandfather: Per Säterberg (Zetterberg) and Anna Persdotter.
The possible parents of the GGG grandmother: Johan Säterström (Zetterberg) and Anna Cajsa Boström.
The task of verifying them as parents is as always to follow the in the Household Examination Records. But för Gävle, that is a big task.
There somewhere in the region of 2000-4000 pages and no complete index over the persons living there!
And as for the notes you posted on the Fick brothers:
First of all, don't think I got that memo you sent through genealogywise.com.
Second of all, I do hope that the censustakers were conscientious enough to get the facts correct.
I won't give up my search about the Fick brothers. They are however on a sidebranch in my family tree and will have to wait for a while. That is if I can't find any new information about them.
Sep 21, 2009
Annelie Jonsson
More about the trip at SwedGen Roadtour October 2009.
Sep 30, 2009
Patrick M. Tavenner
First Generation
1. Emma Della Johnson 1 was born on 4 Jul 1879 in Beaver Twp., Iroquois Co., Illinois.
Second Generation
2. Gustaf Adolf Johnson 2 was born on 6 Jul 1825 in Lommaryd, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He died on 7 Jul 1908 in Paxton, Ford Co., Illinois. He was buried on 9 Jul 1908 in Glen Cemetery, Paxton, Ford Co., Illinois. He married Ida Josephine Anderson on 12 Mar 1878 in Iroquois Co., IL.
3. Ida Josephine Anderson 3 was born on 22 Sep 1846 in Adelof, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. She died on 18 Nov 1927 in Urbana, Champaign Co., Illinois. She was buried on 20 Nov 1927 in Glen Cemetery, Paxton, Ford Co., Illinois.
Third Generation
4. Johannes Johansson was born on 16 Sep 1796 in V. Ryd, Sweden. He died in 1892 in Blackarp, Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He married Maja Stina Larsdotter on 29 Dec 1818 in Lommaryd, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
5. Maja Stina Larsdotter was born on 16 Apr 1795 in Lommaryd, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. She died on 19 Nov 1838 in Blackarp, Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
6. Anders Fredrick Persson was born on 18 Dec 1803 in Linderas, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He died on 22 Jul 1892 in Adelov, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He married Sara Svensdotter on 27 Sep 1829 in Adelof, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
7. Sara Svensdotter was born on 10 Jan 1804 in Grankarr, Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. She died on 19 Feb 1891 in Adelov, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
Fourth Generation
10. Jons Larsson was born about 1768. He married Anna Maja Andersdotter about 1789 in Sweden.
11. Anna Maja Andersdotter was born about 1770.
12. Peter Larsson was born in 1773 in Laby, Uppsala lan, Sweden. He married Stina Persdotter on 25 Jun 1800 in Linderas, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
13. Stina Persdotter was born in 1774 in Linderas, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
14. Sven Svensson was born on 1 May 1766 in Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden. He married Stina Larsdotter on 24 Jun 1792 in Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
15. Stina Larsdotter was born on 13 Jan 1768 in Vireda, Jonkoping lan, Sweden.
Sep 30, 2009
Jilaine Hock
Oct 5, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Jilane!
If you by probate records mean the records of the administrations and distribution of the deceaseds persons estate, then you will be able to get the records from the Landsarkiv in Gothenburg.
You can order these records online and have them sent to you by email.
I must tell you though that there might be a cost for the records. About 80 cent per page and if they don't get all the information they need an additional cost of about 12-15$ / 15min might be imposed.
I am however not sure if the charge requests that are to be answered by email or requests from abroad.
The orderform is on this page: Request form for probate records
Oct 6, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Jilane!
The page I showed you is only in Swedish. If you need help ordering, please ask.
Oct 6, 2009
Linda Jacobsen
1903 - records show his as Carl Lavender
1900 - marries my grandmother Ida C Carlson under the name of Charles Levander
1861 - born in Sweden (according to 1900 census)
The 1900 and the 1910 US census in Washington State show that he immigrated in 1893 from Sweden. But, I can find no record of him arriving in the US or leaving Sweden. Therefore, I have no way of starting to look for him in Sweden.
Please can anyone help?
Oct 6, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
I don't know if you have checked the Ellis Island passenger lists.
I did a quick check and I think I found Carl, Ida and a child named Ruth entering via Ellis Island on Sep 7 1902.
They were heading for Seattle, WA.
Oct 6, 2009
Linda Jacobsen
I was hoping to find records of Carl's original emigration or immigration. I have lots more information, but nothing predating the 1899 entry in the Seattle City Directory showing Charles Levander as the proprietor of the Norman House for lodging.
I have been able to trace my grandmother, Ida, quite a ways back into Sweden. Through Genline's online records, it was quite easy. Carl on the other hand is a challenge.
Oct 6, 2009
Cheri Hopkins
Oct 24, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Hi Cheri,
In which Household Examination Record did you find the placename Gofve Quarry?
Oct 24, 2009
Cheri Hopkins
It was on Genline 2105.24.85600, Lars Andersson b. Bitterna, 5 Feb 1798
"Of Gofve quarry". I may not be reading it correct at all!
Oct 24, 2009
Cheri Hopkins
Oct 24, 2009
Richard Dahlqvist
Hi again Cheri,
I have been trying do read where Lars Andersson came from.
I don't believe for a second that it says "quarry".
That is an English word and was not used in Sweden at that time.
I do however believe it says "Quarn".
Quarn is the old spelling of Kvarn.
Kvarn is the Swedish word for Mill.
A place where you grind your grains.
And I think it says "Höfre Quarn".
You will find Höfre Quarn in the same Household Examination Record on the pages 40 and 90.
The GID you gave me is page 9.
The only problem is...I can not find Lars Andersson in either of those pages.
Oct 24, 2009
Cheri Hopkins
I think you are right, the Quarn did not occur to me before, and that sure could be an H instead of a "G". I will check out pages 40 and 90 too. Lars was born in Bitterna as I have other records on him that are perfectly legible. Thanks so much, if you by chance find anything else. let me know. I still need to find him and follow through from Bitterna, maybe he will show up on another earlier household or moving record. Thanks again! I am desperate for the parish maps as I listed on my other comment, in case you may know the whereabouts of those.
Oct 24, 2009
Cheri Hopkins
Oct 24, 2009
Lynn Anderson
Jan 17, 2010
Cheri Hopkins
Jan 17, 2010