Interesting discoveries made with AUTOSOMAL-DNA! Autosomal-DNA is different than Y-DNA(male lineage) and mt-DNA(female lineage)

A few months ago I believed I matched a Soule descendant through Autosomal-DNA test comparisons. She claimed it was a False Positive. Through another series of test her match came up again, yet she still claimed a False Positive! I have been searching for George Soule descendants who have taken the Autosomal-DNA test. It has been quite a search. Last night I discovered a match with a THROOP which is a name listed in the George Soule Y-DNA list at FTDNA.com and shares a very close Y sequence with G Soule. Just minutes ago I received a match with a Soule descendant. I would like to confirm a few more matches before any conclusions can be made. So if you have descended from George Soule directly or Indirectly and have taken an Autosomal-DNA test please contact me. This may be a clear indication that George came from the van Solt/van Soldt family from Belgium and the need to confirm this with Y-DNA from a male van Soldt.

There is a discounted price going through the Soule Group at FTDNA.com.

If you decide to go to www.23andMe.com  you will get all 3 tests for $99.00! plus a year subcription. It gives the Y-DNA, mt-DNA, and Autosomal-DNA test.

I am looking for Soule descendants who have taken the Autosomal-DNA test which cost $289.00 at FTDNA.

Ancestry.com was giving away 10,000 Y-DNA kits free to regular subscribers until 11/5/2011! But thats $160 yearly subscription.

I have been fairly successful in my search of my family in America going back to George Soule.  When it came to try to trace the tree back further, however I soon learned of the controversy that I had stepped into. As with many researchers, I had assumed that the Eckington thread was credible, even though my Father had told me a very different tale as I was growing up.  Because the "story" seemed a bit far-fetched to me as a kid, and once I learned of the Eckington-Connection, I assumed that the "often repeated FACTS" to be accurate and worth pursuing.

The tale that my Father told was that the man who came to America on the Mayflower was " in FACT", a man of Basque decendency.  The way the story went was that he was an outlaw and he escaped the Basque Region to avoid the French Police.  In his escape, he assumed the name of a "French Province" in the greater Paris vicinity and settled into a new life there.  It was never clear to me how long or where he lived during this period of time, but when the "heat was on", he escaped to England and took up with the English Separatists, and eventually booked passage on the Mayflower as an indentured servant.

I then decided to try to find the French Province in the 17th Century  that presumably holds the name of our namesake.  Not too surprisingly, I found nothing throughout the history of the area that held the Soule name. But then I spotted something that got my attention in the Basque region in the French Pyrenees Mountains between France and Spain.  It turns out that there is a French Basque Country, or "Northern Country"  (called "Imparralde" in the Basque language), and translates to "the North Side"  Imparralde has three Provinces, the smallest of which is called Zuberoa in the Basque language, or in English "SOULE".

Now the "story" that my Dad told, begins to make more sence.  In my discussions with the Sole Society in England, and with the Kindered Soule Society here in America, as well as this FORUM, I find it entirely possible that "George" (or perhaps his Father) actually escaped to The Netherlands or even to Belgium and began to blend in with a new society in order to hide his true identity.  Presumptions asside, the truth is that he became somehow aquainted with Edward Windslow, perhaps through the "illicit printing scheme" that Louise refers to in her writings and the religious pursuits of the time, which were against the King's religious edicts.  The "Rest of the Story" is well documented and swerves back into "FACTS" as we know them.

Louise has advanced the theory that there is a Holland, or perhaps a Belgium connection to the story, which butresses this theory and the tale that my Father learned of as a child from his sisters and brothers.  My Dad never knew his Father, who who died of an industrial accident four months before Dad was born, so Dad had to have been told the story by his siblings, which had been handed down through the family tree.

I invite those of you who have other "theroies" to share them to see if this thread can be considered credible...it is, thus far just a "story"

Clay Soules

Today I came across the marriage of a John Vonssell and a Mary Scarle in the parish of St Marylebone in Westminster in April if 1686. After looking at the entry on Ancestry.com, I sent them a correction notice to change the name to John Vonssoll and Mary Searle. Could this be a descendant of a brother of George Soule? Maybe a van Solt/van Soldt? or both? Also the family name  of SEARLE is some how changed from Salls/Saule! Curios if anyone knows of this union?

Clayton: I find your posting on the Basques and French Pyrenees interesting.

I use to get regular e-mails (in English) from a Basques studies department of a western U.S. university. It was concerned with the Basque language, customs, and history; both in America and the Pyrenees  This flowed from over a century ago when many Basque sheep herders settled in the American West, and fishermen near San Francisco (unless I confuse them with the Portuguese there).

My ancestor, French marine aide Maj. Pierre Gabriel de Juzan (also Jussan) of Mobile, Alabama, was killed in combat against Chickasaws in the 1730's First Battle of Ackia, Tupelo, Mississippi Military District. His kinsman, Canadian marines Capt. Antoine de Tonty, and aide Maj. Charles Pierre de Liette, were killed in the Second Battle of Ackia.

Juzan's mother was Mme. Michelle de Liette de Juzan "of the King's cabins", Versailles, France. Her other sons were one who was a marine supply officer at Bayonne (bad eyes? Old Navy joke) and the other who was Count Pontchartrain's courier to the King.

His son "Don Pedro" was, Francois Pierre Gabriel de Juzan, His Spanish Majesty's Indian Commissioner to Alabama, and DAR ally Patriot. Don Pedro ran Spanish service agents amongst the Indians against British agents amongst the Indians. His son, Choctaw chief, Capt. Peter Juzan, inn keeper, Juzan Lake, Mississippi, in the 1815 Battle of New Orleans, led 52 Choctaws from the swamp against the British right flank ("...powdered the alligator's behinds. Fired! But the British kepta-com'n...").

The Juzan name, according to the Basque Studies Center; is not a Basque name, though the Juzans are from the French Pyrenees. There is a village there of Louvie-Juzan; supposedly "juzan" means "a small village on the side of a hill", but I know not in which language?

Whilst "Don Pedro" spoke French, Spanish, and at least, likely Indian "trade language" (mish-mash of adjoining tribes key words, and Spanish/French/English key trade words; our Creek chief Samuel 'Sam" Moniac, Sr., who 1790 NYC signed the peace treaty with President Washington; allegedly taught Gen. Jackson under whom Moniac served as a Creek nation ally; to use the Creek term which sounded like "OK", and pretty-much means what it does today. Over a decade ago, I was in Paris with Cuban/French Juzan kin (the late Col. Pierre Juzan was once head of French airline security?), when some Parisians were speaking to them in French, and kept saying "OK", frequently. I chuckled; bet they did know the were speaking Creek? Creek, is "Greek" to them?);  prior to Maj. Juzan bringing his French marine company via Haiti, to Mobile, Alabama, he had been a French marine Lt. on the Swiss border.

If there Lt. de Juzan spoke fluent Swiss; this brings to mind a hunch? The 'French' Juzan, Jussan name may have originally been Swiss Jussen, Jussian, or German Je<Ü>sien? This may be less than far-fetched; as our Adam Hollinger of 1750's Hollinger's Island, off Mobile, descended from 1649 Irish militia Capt. Ruprecht Robert Hollinger, who came to Ireland from Switzerland, where he was born 1590 at Waldshist.

Lastly let me at to the early American, French Juzan, French & Indian Juzan heritage, our early Mobile French, Indian, African American Juzangkin. The added 'g' i in Don Pedro's son, Charles Juzan's (1800?) will in which he provides for both, but distinguishes between within and without wedlock Indian families. The w/o branch in time, added our later African American blood "Juzang" cousins.

My HTML was not so good below. The below should read: "Jü>ssen".
While we are in the HTML mode; I often sign my postings as: <∞> focusononinfinity

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ENGLAND 1639

Possible misrecording of SOLT, but also possible the name transformed in spelling to Sole/Soule.

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John Solt fil George Solt de Ffleetwick in Com Bedford tannar to Thomas Cuthett 7 years 21 November 1639

hey everyone, I'm pretty new to this. My mother's maiden name is Soules. Her father told me it actually use to be soule. I'm wondering if this is the same soule family? I am going to try to get more information from him

I have followed Armando Framarini's discussions surrounding George Soule's parentage with interest.  I know there has been continued research by Louise Walsh Throop and Caleb Johnson.  Does Armando have anything new to report? (I check in occasionally hoping for another thread of information!)

Lynn,
I have been extremely busy working on the farm. I have a concentrated effort to build Solt/Sult/Salts families descending from Henrich Zoll of 1700's Pennsylvania and now bringing Y-dna for that group together with 3 testers. This will help me to get a [van Solt / van Soldt] to finally give a Y-dna sample hopefully by September. As for George Soule I have nothing new at this time, but slowly weaving my way through many variant spellings of the family ALIAS "van den Kayart" = Keyaert, Keijaerts, Keyert, Caeyert, Kaert, etc, which also has another alias Coelhaes, Coolhaes, Koolhaas. I am also looking at old records the George may have been recorded under his father as a patriname such Willems. Williams, Johnson, Jansen, Jans etc. My main mission now is tp present a case for my cousins to help submit a Ydna sample to resolve any connection. I have read nothing new on G Soule research in last 4 months.

SOME GREAT NEWS!  On September 24, 2012 this comment was posted by Armando Framarini  "As part of a Social Media grant, Soule Kindred's Newsletter archives can now be viewed free of charge. Current Soule Kindred members can view the newsletters by going to www.soulekindred.org, click on Newsletters in the red menu bar, and sign in using your e-mail address and password. If you are not currently a member you can follow the above instructions and sign up as a Guest Member. Guest Members have access to the Newsletter archives and the About Page - an NOW have access to the index of names on the Soule Kindred Family Tree database."                                  *****As far as is known, this is the only one name data base where members can add to it in real time. Membership is $35 yearly and you must be a member to add your branch of the tree to the database.

Lynn Patterson

I am now pursuing research on a printer/ book binder who was recorded as "Henry Salt/Sault/Salte" and "Henry Soull" in London in early 1550's. He is Henrich van Solt from Liege, Belgium.

Looking for male Soule/Soules/Sole & variants Y-DNA testers with the old I1 Y-dna Haplogroup and the current I-M253 or I-M170 haplogroup designations who interested in refining their Haplogroup. Thanks to Jon Soules GENO 2.0 data, his I-Haplo was refined to {I-YSC0000261}