I've now added British History Online to the list of links. I've also added their RSS feed. Not all of their sources cover the medieval period but it's useful to keep up with their updates. I hope everyone will share any other interesting resources they find.

I have an ARNOLD line that goes back to Cadwaladr Fendigaid ap Cadwallon in Wales. This line was found by me on the internet so it is not a primary source.

I have been researching the Jeanes and Janes (also Jaynes) family of England, most were in Somerset, Gloucestershire, Devon and Cornwall. Several Janes and Jeanes when to the American colonies in the 1600's. I have been unable to determine which families any of them came from in England. I have researched wills from the PCC with few clues.

I have become interested in the origins of the whole family. Contrary to published books on the Janes family, the coat of arms indicates the family (at least the Cornwall family who used the coat of arms) came from the ancient Janes family of Worchestershire.

Renee is there any indication to occupations in the records of the Colonial families you are trying to connect into England? If you haven't pursued this angle I may be able to assist you. Denise Mortorff

Denise,
Well, I believe (going off memory here) the Jayne family in New York had a lot of Blacksmiths and at least one owned a tavern.

William Janes of New Haven, CT (there by 1639) was a School Teacher.

John Jane/Jean of Charles City County is my ancestor. We have no idea what his occupation was, he is in a lot of court records, giving bond for others, administering estates and sueing over debt but it never gives his occupation.

From the wills I have transcribed from England, I would say most there had the occupation of "Yoeman" or "Husbandman", some had the title gentleman, a few were connected to the church, a few connected to Oxford University and a few were Innholders.

I'd appreciate any help or advice.
Renee Newman

Renee - I beleive I can assist you but the discussion is more appropriate for another forum I have established. The application goes out of the medieval timeframe into the early modern period and if Debbie doesn't mind, I would like to assist you further at my forum for LONDON: livery companies, etc. While this may not appear on the surface to fit with London specifically, more than 30% of the members of guilds and some of the other organizations in London actually had shire residences. We could report back here if it fits with medieval research. Deb, please let me know if this is OK with you. Denise

Denise, That's fine. I think we should try and keep this forum on topic and just focus on all things medieval.

Debbie

Amongst others I have interests in the Amery/Amerie (etc) family from Devon, the Acland/Akeland (etc) family of Devon, the Courtneys of Devon. These are just the Devon ones. I also have the Whitneys of Whitney, the Touchets of Heleigh Castle & the Audleys of Heleigh, Staffs. My ancestry goes via Constance Tuchet who was the daughter of James Tuchet, 5th Baron Audley & his wife Eleanor Holand illigitimate daughter of Edmund Holand & Constance of York, daughter of Edmund Langley by Eleanor of Castile.

I have a very large database of medieval royal & noble families.

Bob

A fascinating blog post by Elizabeth Chadwick on the subject of medieval sex for your delectation!

Hi, everyone. Through my great-grandmother, whose direct BATES line extends back to Lydd, Kent, England in 1415 (and earlier), I have many connections to medieval nobles, knights and royals all over Europe, but especially, in England. I accumulated most of my data some years ago and now I'm interested in checking it against authoritative sources to make sure of its accuracy. I'm also a member of the Royalty - Blood Blood Group.

Berkhampsted, Hereford, England is one of the areas that I have been cocentrating on. I am working with the AXTELL (AXSTYL) line I have it back to John AXSTYL born in 1561. He died in Hertfordshire, England but That is all that I have. Would love to get some more information if anyone has it.

Wow great group! I got so carried away that I forgot to join the first time and had to reload the page :-)

Anyone have info on Robert de Caudebec who was with William 1 at the Battle of Hastings, No mention in your Domesday Book section. He is the earliest known member of the Clayton family name.

I've found these sources to be helpful at times

Internet Medieval Sourcebook - http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbook.html
MONARCHS of BRITAIN - http://www.britannia.com/history/h6.html
English Monarchs - http://www.englishmonarchs.co.uk/index.htm
All Empires - http://www.allempires.com/

Thanks James. I've added the Medieval Sourcebook to the main group links section. I've started a discussion on useful links and have added the other ones there. It'll be easier to keep track of everything there as the comments quickly disappear from view. It's also easier to do the formatting and corrections on the discussion board.

Hi friends,

I descend from Edward Sutton, the 5th Lord Dudley, and his mistress Elizabeth Tomlinson. They were a prolific pair and have countless descendants today. Unfortunately little is known of Elizabeth's ancestors, but of course Edward is my gateway into medieval genealogy, and a fascinating hobby.

I've also joined the DUDLEY group but on this one I hope to meet others who might be connected through, forex, STANLEY, AUDLEY, MORTIMER, and countless other noble and royal families of the medieval world.

If only the same kind of information existed for our less exalted forebears!

Hi, Satima. I am a descendant of the Mortimers, via Isabel de Mortimer and her husband John Fitzalan, 7th Earl of Arundel. My data's a little sketchy on the earlier Mortimers, but I have the line back to Roger de Mortimer, father of Ralph (b. abt 1082). This is the line of the Mortimers who were the Lords of Wigmore and the Earls of March.

Gary

Iam interested in resarching trhe medival heritage of the Wenbans and Winborne families and/or any of the variants of these surnames. Thanks

A chance find in my local Oxfam bookshop introduced me to Medieval history - the first two volumes of Thomas B Costain's "Pageant of England". I managed to acquire the last two volumes and I was hooked! The books begin with the death of Henry 1 and end with the death of Richard III. Since then I have done much background reading, my main interests being John of Gaunt and Katherine Swynford (the Lincolnshire connection), Simon de Montfort and Richard III - I am now a member of the Richard III Society.

This has been useful for my quest to find out more about the Medieval Duncalf family in Cheshire. They have been included in the writings of the three Cheshire historians Ormerod, Earwaker and Renaud, and my interest in family history was sparked by an article that my grandfather had kept from the Knutsford Guardian about the Foxwist and Duncalf families.

I have just ordered, through the inter-library loan system, the book about the Scrope Grosvenor controversy of the 1380s as a Thomas Duncalf gave evidence for Grosvenor. Unfortunately the book available on the net is Vol 2 which gives details of the Scrope witnesses.

My earliest reference is to an Adam Duncalf, shoemaker of Macclesfield, who was fined 1s for breaking the Statutes of Labours in 1349 and who appears again in Macclesfield in 1363. No more is known of him. I have heralds' visitations going back well into the 14th century but cannot bridge that gap between the end of the visitations and the beginning of parish registers apart from a junior branch that went to East Yorkshire.

It was disappointing not to find a Duncalf in the Medieval Soldiers database, although I found several de Foxwists. The Duncalfs married the heiress of the de Foxwist family in the early 15th century and became Lords of the Manor of Foxwist, near Prestbury in Cheshire. I have stood on the moated mound where the wooden manor house once stood. I have a reference to a Duncalf fighting in Gascony with the Black Prince (and probably John of Gaunt) and many references to a Thomas Duncalf (c1420 to c1480) from the Palitinate of Chester Recognizance Rolls (published).

My palaeography is good - provided that what I am reading is in English, but I am stuck for where to go for original material and how to discover that it exists in the first place. I suspect this is the problem that many people have. I will continue to google and hope that references will appear.

Hello Debbie, I would like to have added another source link for both Genealogical and document searches, could you please include the following link to the University of Iowa study on Medieval Patent Rolls. (http://www.uiowa.edu/~acadtech/patentrolls/) This is an excellent data base for searches by both Family Name and Locations. Cheers, Karen Repko

Hi Karen, I've now added the Patents Rolls website to the list of links. It is indeed an excellent resource. I thought it was already listed on some of the other websites but if it is the link is not very easy to find.

I have found a suprisingly local way to trace the Ogle family name back to 1055 Northumberland England even though it is fairly sketchy and very basic at best. How would I find more?

This links to a wonderful article on Medieval Farming:
http://www.witheridge-historical-archive.com/medieval-year.htm

Hi Debbie, I am researching the family of Blount of Elvaston through Thomas Blount (Treasurer of Normandy) and his parents Walter Blount (died at Battle of Shrewsbury) and Sancha De Ayala. I am also researching the families of Gresley and Shirley from the Derbyshire area.

Greetings All! I just found this group and am really excited about joining! I am descended from one, Thomas Barnum (b. 1625, Hollingbourne, Kent, England), a colonial immigrant to America, who (supposedly) was the son of Sir Francis Barnham and Elizabeth Lennard (these two were married 1598/9, in Kent England, and Elizabeth was the daughter of Samson Lennard and Margaret Fiennes, Baroness Dacre). If Thomas was indeed the son of Sir Francis and Elizabeth, than it means that I can take this line waaaaay farther back, and it connects to a great many royal and notable personages of the middle ages (and earlier!). By the way, Thomas changed the spelling of the name, when he came to America. Now, the trouble is, I can't actually verify that Thomas actually was their son. Most of the references I've found ( have them, just to much to list here) say that he 'likely' was, or that it is 'presumed' that he was. One even suggested that he may have been a nephew, raised by Sir Thomas. So what I'd like to ask is, whether or not anyone else may have found Thomas Barnum in their family history, and have you actually been able to confirm his parentage?
Thanks!
Pam

Have you seen Sir Francis Barnum's will? It may or may not verify the relationship. If Thomas was not disowned then he would very likely hav been mentioned in the will if indeed he was the son. Many times if a son was disowned it was mentioned in the will.

Hi
I am a new member, researching my Nichols family of Buckinghamshire. I have got back to around 1450 and am now stuck. My earliest ancestors, William and Thomas Nichols (+ variants) were yeoman farmers and seemed to have owned quite a lot of land. Can anyone help me get moving again ?

In reply to Stacy Wade Harris II, comment of August 22:

Yes! As a matter of fact, I have seen a translation of Sir Francis Barnum's will! It does not mention Thomas at all, but there were also a couple other of the 15 children who weren't mentioned, either, and there appears to be no explanation for these ommissions, either. I also know that Thomas "sailed for the New World" in 1640, but didn't arrive in New England until about 1657. There appears to be no record of what he was actually doing for those 17 years. Sir Francis's will was dated 1642, two years after Thomas's departure. Maybe Sir Francis believed his son was dead, and that might account for why Thomas wasn't mentioned? Only my speculation :)

My 11th great grandfather was Sir Richard Mainwaring who married Dorothy Corbet. He died at St. Albans, Hertfordshire on or about 30 September 1558. My notes indicate: He was knighted before 28 September 1536 when he took a lease from John, late Abbott, and the convent of St. Mary, Combermere, Chester. He served as Commissioner of Peace in May of 1538 and was among the nights who welcomed Anne of Cleves to England on 3 January 1539-1540. In 1544 and other times he served as Sheriff of Shropshire.

His parents were Sir John Mainwaring and Joan Lacon. I am interested in obtaining more information, particularly historical, about the Mainwarings.

@Ruby Coleman: I found Middle Ages info on Mesnilwarin/Mainwaring on these sites:
http://www.deloriahurst.com/deloriahurst%20page/3951.html
http://cybergata.com/roots/3832.htm
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~jamesdow/s042/f751134.htm
My last Mainwaring, Bertred, granddaughter of Hugh Kevelioc, Earl of Chester, married Henry de Aldithley/d'Audley and died after 1249, so I have no info on Mainwarings after that.

Christy ... thanks so much. Will check them out. Ruby Coleman

A plea for help! I have just collected, through the inter Library loan system, the book that contains the evidence given for Grosvenor in the Scrope/Grosvenor case 1385-1390. A Thomas Duncalf gave evidence to the trial and this is in the book. However, the book is in French!!! Can anyone help with a translation? I can grasp a few bits of information - for instance Thomas was 58 years old. Duncalf was my maiden name, and is my One-Name Study. This is the second volume of evidence; the first is on the Web, in English, and gives the evidence for the Scrope side. This second volume is not however available on the web. I will be happy to pass on details (in French) of any other people who gave evidence who are in this book. I note that John of Gaunt Duke of Lancaster gave evidence, also for Grosvenor.

Help?
Is anyone willing to offer to transcribe a couple of C16th wills for me?
I visited the Centre for Kentish Studies at Maidstone last week to copy a couple of BALDOCK wills. Can decipher the first 2 or 3 lines then it gets difficult!
Can scan & email to the willing volunteer!
Thanks

http://baldockfaggfamily.org.uk

There are a number of variations of the early HERVEY (HARVEY) genealogy given in THE VISITATION OF SUFFOLKE made by William Hervey, ed. by Joseph Jackson Howard, v.2, 1868, pp. 134-205 (available from google books). Leo van Pas on his Genealogics website has still another variation. Does anyone know what the definitive genealogy is on this family or what sources (articles) may correct the printed/posted genealogies? WorldConnect on Rootsweb has numerous listings but again which, if any, are correct? Thanks, Jim.

Isabel HERVEY / HARVEY b. c. 1510/2 in Bedfordshire, who married c. 1545 to Humphrey RADCLIFFE, she was the daughter of Edmund HARVEY / HERVEY and Margaret WENTWORTH. Margaret was the daughter of Gyles / Giles WENTWORTH and unknown. Does anyone know who Margaret’s mother was? Thanks, Jim.

Based on the will of Thomas HILL (see WHITEBREAD forum on Genealogy Wise) we now know that Eleanor, mother of Alice WHITBREAD (who married Gerard SPENCER) was a HILL. We now must correct all assumptions that she was a RADCLIFFE. Where do we go from here?

The article in The American Genealogist (TAG), v.32 #3 (Jul 1956, pp.134-5) states: “There is reason to believe that Eleanor was related in some way to a prominent RADCLIFFE family.” Many people ran with this making Eleanor a daughter of a RADCLIFFE, most often Edward, with no documentation at all!

The article goes on to say “On 1 Aug. 1611, Sir Edward RADCLIFFE of Elstow, Knt., for 32 pounds, conveyed to John Radwell of Kempston, ploughwright, a messuage or tenement in Elstowe, giving a convenant of assurance against Dame Isabel RADCLIFFE, late of Elstowe, deceased, his mother. And the same date, John WHITBREAD of Elstow, husbandman, for 20 pounds, gave to John Radwell assurance of quiet enjoyment of the same premises against ‘Elner WHITBREAD of Elusetowe.’ his mother'. [Publications of the Bedfordshire Historical Record Society, 4:22-23.]”

It would seem that it is Isabel RADCLIFFE & Eleanor WHITBREAD who are related. Now Isabel was born a HERVEY, so it appears that focus on a HILL & HERVEY relationship needs to be determined. Additions, corrections, comments appreciated, thanks, Jim.

The Medieval English Genealogy website has recently been updated with links to some important new online resources, including the first 12 volumes of the Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem through to 1370. The full list can be seen here.

Has anyone tried searching the TNA website recently? Someone told me that there were Petitions available for free download; I put Duncalf in the search box on the home page and the first result entry was for a petition dated between 1471-1483 (it had been sent to Edward IV during the life of Edward V). It was in English and I was able to transcribe it all but about 10 words that a friendly archivist read for me. The petition was from Thomas Duncalf of Cheshire (supposedly lived between 1420 and 1480) and is the second earliest document that I have found so far; absolutely fantastic to read the words of a possible ancestor written so long ago.

From the soc.genealogy.medieval site:

Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
From: "Simon Fairthorne"
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 16:20:39 +0100
Local: Tues, Apr 27 2010 11:20 am
Subject: Medieval History research project

You may be interested in this announcement from King's College London: Cheers. Simon

Major Leverhulme Medieval History grant awarded The Leverhulme Trust has awarded a large research project grant to King's, to be led by Dr Stephen Baxter, Reader in Medieval History. The grant of over £250,000 will enable King's to employ Dr Chris Lewis, one of the
world's leading authorities on eleventh-century England, and to appoint a new post-doctoral research fellow, for the two-year project.

The project will be implemented and published online by the Centre for
Computing in Humanities (CCH) at King's. The project, 'Profile of a Doomed Elite: The Structure of English Landed Society in 1066', will use innovative methods for interpreting Domesday Book to survey the whole of English landed society on the eve of the Norman Conquest in 1066, identifying landowners at all levels of society from the king and earls down to the parish gentry and even some prosperous peasants.
Dr Baxter comments: 'It may seem astonishing that this has never been done before, since the evidence has existed for more than 900 years. Domesday Book is the most complete survey of any medieval landed society, and provides a unique opportunity to reconstruct the distribution of landed wealth in eleventh-century England. It has been intensively studied, but until now progress has been blocked: the way pre-Conquest landholders are recorded creates major difficulties in identifying and distinguishing individuals of the same name; gathering, comparing, and mapping the evidence by hand has been prohibitively time-consuming; and evidence about landholders in other sources (such as chronicles and charters) has not been systematically pulled together.'

Recent research on two fronts has transformed this situation. Publications by Baxter, Lewis, and others have shown that Domesday Book can be used to make many more secure identifications of landowners than had ever been thought possible; and the imminent publication of 'The Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England' (PASE) will allow the evidence to be assembled, mapped, and compared with other sources much more efficiently.

PASE will provide a prosopography - a list of everything known - for every person recorded throughout the entire Anglo-Saxon period from the sixth century to the eleventh. It has been based at King's and the University of Cambridge, and has been funded by the Arts and Humanities Research Council over eight years in two phases. The second phase, due for publication in summer 2010, will extend PASE's coverage of the eleventh century, and will make a comprehensive database of Domesday landholders linked to mapping facilities freely available online. Dr Baxter concludes: 'The research project will build on and refine PASE's coverage of the late Anglo-Saxon nobility on the eve of its demise. It opens up the prospect of a major breakthrough in our knowledge of the Norman Conquest, one of the defining moments in English and European history.'

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread...

Anybody read Latin? Thanks, Jim.

anyone looking for translations www.translate.google.com is an excellent; it has several languages
Also I'm looking for info on Jasper (Roger) Cholmley(c.1548 - 1577):
Son of Richard Cholmeley, Knight and Margaret Conyers. He was born in England and immagrated/died to/in Pennsylvania

Would appreciate any additions/corrections to the following, thanks, Jim.

Generation One

1. William WENTWORTH.

He married Dionysia ROTHERFIELD, b. 1277, d. c. 1318/9.

Children:
2. i. William b. 1292.


Generation Two

2. William WENTWORTH title: Sir, b. 1292.

He married Isabel POLLINGTON, b. c. 1294, (daughter of William POLLINGTON and unknown).

Children:
3. i. William.


Generation Three

3. William WENTWORTH.

He married Jocosa TYNSLOE.

Children:
4. i. John b. 1305.


Generation Four

4. John WENTWORTH, b. 1305.

Also listed as a s/o William & Isabella POLLINGTON.

Marriedi Jane Le TYAS, also known as Joan,1 b. 1305.

Children:
5. i. John b. 1320.


Generation Five

5. John WENTWORTH, b. 1320.

Married1 Alice BASSET, also known as BISSETT,1 b. c. 1320, (daughter of Roger BASSET and unknown).

Children:
6. i. John b. c. 1345.


Generation Six

6. John WENTWORTH, b. c. 1345, d. aft. 1413.

Married1 Agnes DRONSFIELD, b. c. 1350.

Children:
7. i. John.
ii. Richard WENTWORTH.


Generation Seven

7. John WENTWORTH, d. 20 Jun 1461.

He married Elizabeth BEAUMONT.

Children:
8. i. Roger b. 1397.


Generation Eight

8. Roger WENTWORTH title: Sir, Knight, b. 1397 in Nettlestead, Suffolk, England, d. aft. 5 Jun 1452 - 24 Oct 1452.1,ii

Also listed as s/o John & Agnes DRONSFIELD.

Married 25 Jun 1423,2 Maud DESPENCER, also known as Margaret, Margery,1,2 b. 1407 in Nettlestead, Suffolk, England, (daughter of Philip le DESPENCER and Elizabeth de TIBETOT) d. 20 Apr 1478.1,2

Maud: 1m. John, Lord ROOS.

Children:
9. i. Henry b. 1426.
ii. Agnes WENTWORTH, b. 1434.


10. iii. Philip b. c. 1424.


Generation Nine

9. Henry WENTWORTH, b. 1426 in Nettlestead, Suffolk, England, d. 22 Mar 1482/3 in Nettlestead, Suffolk, England.1,2

(1) Married1,2 Elizabeth HOWARD, (daughter of Henry HOWARD and unknown).

Children:
11. i. Roger.
ii. Elizabeth WENTWORTH, d. 1528.

(1) She married William ALLINGTON, d. 1485 in Bosworth Field (see note 1).
(2) She married William CHEYNE, (son of John CHEYNE and unknown).
(3) She married Robert CHAMBERLAIN.

iii. Margaret WENTWORTH.

(1) She married John ASHFIELD.
(2) She married Edmund WINGFIELD.

iv. Henry WENTWORTH, d. 1511.
v. Thomas WENTWORTH.
vi. William WENTWORTH.
vii. Robert WENTWORTH, d. 1551,1 buried in Gosfield.1
viii. Agnes WENTWORTH.

Married1 Robert TIMPERLEY, d. 1494.1

ix. Mary WENTWORTH.

(1) She married Thomas TIMPERLEY, d. 1505.
(2) She married Edward HARVEY.
(3) She married _____ PAULET.

12. x. Margery.

(2) Married1 Joan FitzSIMON, (daughter of Robert FitzSIMON and unknown).

Children:
xi. Nicholas WENTWORTH, d. 1552/3.1

Married1 Jane JOCELYN, (daughter of John JOCELYN and unknown) d. 1569,1 buried in Burnham Chruch, Bucks.1

10. Philip WENTWORTH, b. c. 1424, d. 27 May 1464.1

He married Mary CLIFFORD, b. c. 1416, d. 13 Oct 1478.

Children:
13. i. Henry b. c. 1450.


Generation Ten

11. Roger WENTWORTH title: Knight, d. 1539,1 buried in church of Wethersfield.1

Married1 Anna TYRELL, (daughter of James TYRELL and Anne ARUNDELL) d. 1534,1 buried in church of Wethersfield.1

Anna: Unsure of parents, also listed as Humphrey & Isabel HELION.
Children:
i. John WENTWORTH, b. 1494,1 d. 15 Sep 1567,1 buried in Gosfield church,1 occupation sheriff of cos. Essex & Hertford.1

Married1 Anne BETTENHAM, (daughter of John BETTENHAM and unknown) d. Nov 1575,1 buried in Gosfield church.1

ii. Roger WENTWORTH, d. 1557.

(1) He married Mary _____.
(2) Married1 Alice BUCKFORD, (daughter of William BUCKFORD and unknown).

iii. John WENTWORTH, also known as Jr., d. 1566.1

Married1 Jane SHORDICH, (daughter of Richard SHORDICH and unknown).

iv. Lora WENTWORTH.

(1) Married1 Edmund SHAW.
(2) Married1 _____ EVERARD.
(3) Married1 Francis CLOPTON.

v. Margaret WENTWORTH.

She married John BERNEY, b.1

vi. Henry WENTWORTH, d. c. 1545.

Married 1528,1 Agnes HAMOND, (daughter of Reginald HAMOND and unknown) d. 1574,1 buried 3 Sep 1574.1

Agnes: She 2m to William WILFORD.

12. Margery WENTWORTH, d. 1540,1 buried 7 May 1540 in Bures, co. Suffolk, ENG.1,2

Married1,2 William WALDEGRAVE, d. 1528,1 buried 30 Jan 1527/8 in Bures, co. Suffolk, ENG.2

Children:
i. Margaret WALDEGRAVE.

Marriediii John ST.JOHN, (son of John ST.JOHN and Sybil of GEVENT-ISCOED).

ii. George WALDEGRAVE.2

13. Henry WENTWORTH title: Baron DeSpenser, b. c. 1450, d. 10 Aug 1499.1

(1) He married Anne SAY, b. c. 1453, d. 1478.

Children:
i. Edward WENTWORTH, b. c. 1470.
ii. Giles WENTWORTH, also known as Gyles, b. 1471.

Unsure of parentage.

He married unknown.

iii. Jane WENTWORTH, b. c. 1472.
iv. Margaret WENTWORTH, nickname Margery, b. c. 1474, d. Oct 1550.

She married John SEYMOUR title: Sir, b. c. 1476, d. 31 Dec 1536.

v. Richard WENTWORTH, b. c. 1475, d. 27 Oct 1528.

He married Anne TYRRELL, b. 1479.

vi. Elizabeth WENTWORTH, b. c. 1476, d. c. 1542.
vii. Dorothy WENTWORTH, b. c. 1478, d. bef. 1506.

(2) He married Elizabeth de NEVILLE, b. 1464, d. 30 Sep 1515.



Note 1 Killed.


SOURCES:
i Rutton, William Loftie, THREE BRANCHES OF THE FAMILY OF WENTWORTH (London, 1891), From charts in book, no pages gives.
ii Weis, Frederick Lewis (add. & corr. by Walter Lee Sheppard, Jr.), Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists Who Came to A merica before 1700, Seventh Edition (Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Baltimore, 1993), 169.
iii Wright, Evelyn, FORGOTTEN FAMILIES OF HERTFORDSHIRE AND BEDFORDSHIRE (Book Castle, Dunstable, Eng., 2003), 144.

i am able to trace my linage to Lady Cathrine Cary, daughter of Mary Boleyn . Mary Boleyn born about 1495 Chilron, Wilshire, England died Jan. 19, 1543 in Hunqerford, Wilshire, England. Mary Boleyn married Thomas Cary and was saied to be a Missteress of King Henry the V111. Who did Cathrine belong to, Cary or Henry. what line do I trace, you only get one father. Any help would be wonderful. Thank you. Miss Robin

According to Faris, Plantagenet Ancestry, 2nd Edition, p. 69, Henry VIII's affair with Mary Boleyn lasted from at least Feb. 1523 to May 1526, while she was still married to William Cary. Only during this period did Mary have pregnancies (Katherine was born abut 1524), until her marriage to her second husband, William Stafford. The article went on to state that probably Katherine was the daughter of Henry instead of William. In a footnote of that same source, on p. 70, is the following excerpt: "...evidence that William Carey did not father his putative children; the paternal interest shown by King Henry to Katherine and Henry, as well as the extraordinary favour shown them by Queen Elizabeth."

Unfortunately, this may have been the opinion of many at the time but it can't be definitely proved which was her father. Apparently she was at least tacitly claimed to be the daughter of William and Henry never openly acknowledged her as his daughter. Nonetheless, Katherine was a descendant of English, French, Anglo-Saxon, etc. royalty through her mother (a descendant of Henry III), but so was William Carey. So regardless of whether her father was Henry VIII or William, she's still a royal descendant on both her father and mother's sides. Some genealogy programs have a way to show an alternate parent so you might explore your program to see if it’s capable of doing this.

JL

Thank you J. for the helpful information. I will see where this leads me.

You're welcome.
JL

Would love to find what I believe is Norman Ancestry of Roger Ablard in Lincolnshire by 1500s - my earliest English ancestor.

Can you provide more information than just a name? For example do you have dates of birth, marriage, death--who he married, his children, what honors or titles he may have held? It would also be very helpful to know what source or sources you used to find this earliest ancestor? Anything would be helpful.
Jay

Interesting site:

http://plabelle.net/

Another interesting site:

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?25236-Haplogroups-of-Eu...