Ok lemme start. Im descended from Eleanor several ways.
Eleanor of Aquitaine - Eleanor Plantagenet - Berengaria Queen of Castile - St. Ferdinand King of Castile - Eleanor Castile - Edward Caernarvon - King Edward III - John of Gaunt (Katherine De Roet) - Henry Beaufort - Jane Beaufort - Henry Stradling - Thomas Stradling - Jane Stradling - Elizabeth Griffith - Mary Philips - James Bowen - Richard Bowen - Alice Bowen - John Wheaton - James Wheaton - Hannah Wheaton - Content Brayten - Nancy Horton - Martin Horton Peck - Susan Peck - Virginia Taylor - Florence Olson - H. Lamar Jackman - My mom - Me
Eleanor of Aquitaine - John Lackland - King Henry III - Edward Longshanks - Edward Caernarvon - King Edward III - John of Gaunt (Katherine De Roet) - Henry Beaufort - Jane Beaufort - Henry Stradling - Thomas Stradling - Jane Stradling - Elizabeth Griffith - Mary Philips - James Bowen - Richard Bowen - Alice Bowen - John Wheaton - James Wheaton - Hannah Wheaton - Content Brayten - Nancy Horton - Martin Horton Peck - Susan Peck - Virginia Taylor - Florence Olson - H. Lamar Jackman - My mom - Me
Eleanor of Aquitaine - Mary Capet - Theobald III - Theobald King of Navarre - Henry King of Navarre - Joan Queen of Navarre - Isabella of France - King Edward III - John of Gaunt (Katherine De Roet) - Henry Beaufort - Jane Beaufort - Henry Stradling - Thomas Stradling - Jane Stradling - Elizabeth Griffith - Mary Philips - James Bowen - Richard Bowen - Alice Bowen - John Wheaton - James Wheaton - Hannah Wheaton - Content Brayten - Nancy Horton - Martin Horton Peck - Susan Peck - Virginia Taylor - Florence Olson - H. Lamar Jackman - My mom - Me
Eleanor of Aquitaine - John Lackland - Richard Fitzroy - Richard De Chilham - Isabella - Chilham - Margaret Strathbogie - Kenneth MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie - Alexander MacKenzie - Kenneth MacKenzie II - John Iain MacKenzie - Kenneth MacKenzie III - Roderick MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie II - Margaret MacKenzie - Duncan MacRae II - Farquhar MacRae II - Janet MacRae - Margaret MacRae - Ann MacRae - Duncan MacDonald - Alexander Findlay MacDonald - Aaron Johnson MacDonald - Jessie Pace MacDonald - Julia Graham - Tess Huettel - My mom - Me
Isabelle below is a wife, not dau. of John, Isabelle Taillefer of Angouleme (1188 - 1246) she was also m. to Hugues X 'le Brun' de Lusignan, Comte de La Marche et d'Angoulême & they were parents of
Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291) Isabel de Warren (1260 - 1295)
Melinda, the fun & frustrating part of medieval genealogy is that I am substracting lines more then adding. I am curious for your sources for Gov. Thomas Dudley genealogy. My ex-boss is descended from that line so keep one eye open for that family, although have not really done much on it. Anyway, here are some more takes on his lineage.
> > Questions for the List: > > 1. What is the opinion of this List as to Thomas Dudley's possible link to > > John Sutton, 1st Baron Dudley? Thomas Dudley may also then be a > > descendant of John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley and Cicely Grey (herself a > > granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth Woodville and Sir John Grey). Would this > > be correct, or is it all wrong? It does seem this link between Gov. > > Thomas Dudley & Queen Elizabeth Woodville was mentioned previously on this > > List:
> This link: >
> is a discussion of the line, and to me, is very convincing.
Mr. Curtis' document provides a convenient restatement of the Kelley - Kirk hypothesis, but despite its title no 'proof' was unearthed by Kelley or Kirk or has been found since. Curtis makes much of the fact that Dudley was listed in the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry's _Roll of Arms_, and also that a member of the College of Arms stated, in 1953, that Dudley's use of the differenced Sutton-Dudley coat offered 'inferential proof' of his belonging to that family.
Mr. Curtis has appended to his pdf a 'rebuttal' to some of the posts that appeared here back in 2006 mentioning his summary. In the 'rebuttal' Mr. Curtis states that the herald's 1953 statement about the Dudley arms was "the inspiration for my proof," but there is no independent evidentiary value in what to my mind was a rather careless overstatement by the herald.
> I'm told Marshall Kirk had even more evidence that was never published.
Marshall had continued to compile (in parallel with Mr. Fradd) biographical data on the various principals, some of which could be said to be consistent with the hypothesis, but he had found nothing independently probative.
Hi! I am descended from Eleanor of Aquitane a few different ways, but I'll only post one.
Eleanor of Aquitane- John "Lackland" Plantagenet- Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- Abraham Perkins- Luke Perkins- Hannah Perkins- Sarah Way- Arthur Emmons- Russell Emmons- Philanous Emmons- Amanda Emmons- Minnie Mahala Norris- Leslie John McBride- Celena Marie McBride- my grandmother- my mother- me.
Caren
Ok lemme start. Im descended from Eleanor several ways.
Eleanor of Aquitaine - Eleanor Plantagenet - Berengaria Queen of Castile - St. Ferdinand King of Castile - Eleanor Castile - Edward Caernarvon - King Edward III - John of Gaunt (Katherine De Roet) - Henry Beaufort - Jane Beaufort - Henry Stradling - Thomas Stradling - Jane Stradling - Elizabeth Griffith - Mary Philips - James Bowen - Richard Bowen - Alice Bowen - John Wheaton - James Wheaton - Hannah Wheaton - Content Brayten - Nancy Horton - Martin Horton Peck - Susan Peck - Virginia Taylor - Florence Olson - H. Lamar Jackman - My mom - Me
Eleanor of Aquitaine - John Lackland - King Henry III - Edward Longshanks - Edward Caernarvon - King Edward III - John of Gaunt (Katherine De Roet) - Henry Beaufort - Jane Beaufort - Henry Stradling - Thomas Stradling - Jane Stradling - Elizabeth Griffith - Mary Philips - James Bowen - Richard Bowen - Alice Bowen - John Wheaton - James Wheaton - Hannah Wheaton - Content Brayten - Nancy Horton - Martin Horton Peck - Susan Peck - Virginia Taylor - Florence Olson - H. Lamar Jackman - My mom - Me
Eleanor of Aquitaine - Mary Capet - Theobald III - Theobald King of Navarre - Henry King of Navarre - Joan Queen of Navarre - Isabella of France - King Edward III - John of Gaunt (Katherine De Roet) - Henry Beaufort - Jane Beaufort - Henry Stradling - Thomas Stradling - Jane Stradling - Elizabeth Griffith - Mary Philips - James Bowen - Richard Bowen - Alice Bowen - John Wheaton - James Wheaton - Hannah Wheaton - Content Brayten - Nancy Horton - Martin Horton Peck - Susan Peck - Virginia Taylor - Florence Olson - H. Lamar Jackman - My mom - Me
Jan 26, 2011
Pete Val
Jan 26, 2011
Melinda
Eleanor of Aquitaine and Henry II Plantagenet
John Lackland and Suzanne De Warren
Richard FitzRoy and Rohesia (Rose) Dover
Isabella De Chilham FitzRoy and Maurice, “the Resolute” Lord of Berkeley
Thomas “the Wise” Berkeley and Joan Ferrers
Maurice “the Magnanimous” Berkeley and Eve L Zouche
Thomas “the Rich” Berkeley and Katherine Clyvedon
John Berkeley and Elizabeth Bettershorne
Elizabeth Berkeley and Baron John Sutton (Dudley)
Sir Edmund Dudley and Joyce Tiptoft
Sir Edward Sutton of Dudley and Cicely Willoughby
Thomas Sutton of Dudley and Margaret Grace Threlkeld
John Dudley and Elizabeth Clerke
Captain Roger Dudley and Susanna Thorne
Governor Thomas Dudley and Dorothy Yorke
Reverend Samuel Dudley and Elizabeth Smith
Colonel Stephen Dudley and Sarah Gilman
Trueworthy Dudley and Sarah Connor
Dorothy Dudley and John Kimball
Trueworthy Kimball and Hannah Gilman
John Kimball and Eliza G. Sterling
Simeon M. Kimball and Charlotte Elizabeth Wright
Stella Wright Kimball and Ellis Ward Gould
Gerald Holly Gould and Myra Opal Hermann
My father
Me
Jan 26, 2011
Madehlinne
Eleanor of Aquitaine and Henry II Plantagenet
John I "Lackland"
Henry III
Edward "Longshanks" and Eleanor of Castile
Elizabeth, Princess of England, and Humphrey De Bohun
Eleanor De Bohun and James le Botiller [Butler], 2nd Earl Ormond
James Butler, 3rd Earl Ormond
James Butler, 4th Earl Ormond
Elizabeth Butler and Sir John Talbot
Sir Gilbert Talbot and Audrey Cotton
Sir John Talbot and Margaret Troutbeck
Anne Talbot and Thomas Needham
Robert Needham and Frances Aston
Edmond Needham and Mary Howe
Edmund Needham and Joane Leasing-Leazing * immigrated to MA
Elizabeth Needham and Joseph Mansfield
Elizabeth Mansfield and Joshua Wheate
John Sr. Wheat
John Jr. Wheat
Francis Wheat
Zachariah Wheat
Johnathan Wheat
John R. Wheat
Joseph William Wheat
Dudley Winston Wheat and Elizabeth Whelan*
Elizabeth Whelan Wheat* and John Henry Powderly
Neva Powderly and Harold W. Hunter
Richard Mayfield Hunter, my Dad
Me
Jan 26, 2011
Pete Val
Here is my wife's relationship to Eleanor:
Eleanor of Acquitaine Princess (1122 - 1204)
John I Lackland Plantagenet (1167 - 1216)
Isabelle Taillefer of Angouleme (1188 - 1246)
Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291)
Isabel de Warren (1260 - 1295)
Agnes Maud Baliol
Catherine Fitzalan (1300 - 1328)
Grey (1319 - 1375)
Matilda Grey (1360 - 1390)
Thomas de Harcourt (1377 - 1420)
Robert Harcourt (1410 - 1470)
John Harcourt (1450 - 1485)
Alice Harcourt (1394 - )
Roger North (1420 - 1495)
Roger North (1444 - 1495)
Edward North (1496 - 1564)
Roger North (1529 - 1600)
John North (1551 - 1597)
John Dudley North (1582 - 1664)
John North (1611 - 1691)
Thomas North (1649 - 1712)
Rebecca North (1693 - 1732)
Keziah Phelps (1731 - )
Lovina Harmon (1758 - 1800)
William U. Tabor (1791 - 1860)
Isabelle Tabor (1826 - 1885)
Hudson Morvant (1847 - )
Emelia Morvant (1874 - )
Eva Navarre (1908 - 1988)
Mabel Therese (1933 - )
Roberta (1961 - )
Jan 27, 2011
Gus Marsh
Eleanore of Aquitaine & King Henry II of England
John LackLand & Suzanne de Warren
Richard Fitzroy & Rohesia (Rose) Dover
Richard de Chilham & Maud, Countess of Angus
David Strathbogie & Isabella de Chilham
John Strathbogie & Margaret Mar Coa
David Strathbogie & Joan Comyn
David Strathbogie & Catherine Beaumont
David de Strathbogie & Elizabeth Ferrers
John Scrope & Elizabeth Strathbogie
Thomas Clarell & Elizabeth Scrope
Richard Fitzwilliam & Elizabeth Clarell
William Wentworth & Isabel Fitzwilliam
Thomas Wentworth & Beatrice Woodrow
William Wentworth & Catherine Beeston
Thomas Wentworth & Grace Gascoigne
William Brewster & Mary Wentworth
Love Brewster & Sarah Collier
Benjamin Bartlett & Sarah Brewster
Samuel Bartlett & Hannah Pabodie
Joseph Bartlett & Elizabeth Bartlett
Benjamin Rider & Elizabeth Bartlett
Nathaniel Churchill & Betsy Rider
Nathaniel Churchill & Eunice Kenney
Fredrick J. Whitfield & Susannah Churchill
Charles W. Whitfield & Orpah White
Arthur J. Marsh & Lilian R. Whitfield
Vere P. Marsh & Genevive A. DeNoble
John P. Marsh & Dorothy M. Lange
Me
Jan 27, 2011
Caren
Another link!
Eleanor of Aquitaine - John Lackland - Richard Fitzroy - Richard De Chilham - Isabella - Chilham - Margaret Strathbogie - Kenneth MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie - Alexander MacKenzie - Kenneth MacKenzie II - John Iain MacKenzie - Kenneth MacKenzie III - Roderick MacKenzie - Murdoch MacKenzie II - Margaret MacKenzie - Duncan MacRae II - Farquhar MacRae II - Janet MacRae - Margaret MacRae - Ann MacRae - Duncan MacDonald - Alexander Findlay MacDonald - Aaron Johnson MacDonald - Jessie Pace MacDonald - Julia Graham - Tess Huettel - My mom - Me
Jan 27, 2011
Caren
Jan 27, 2011
James P. LaLone
Pete, I think you have some typo errors:
John I Lackland Plantagenet (1167 - 1216)
Isabelle below is a wife, not dau. of John,
Isabelle Taillefer of Angouleme (1188 - 1246) she was also m. to Hugues X 'le Brun' de Lusignan, Comte de La Marche et d'Angoulême & they were parents of
Alice de Lusignan Le Brun (1224 - 1291)
Isabel de Warren (1260 - 1295)
Agnes Maud Baliol
Catherine Fitzalan (1300 - 1328), see
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00140217&tre...
Grey (1319 - 1375)
Matilda Grey (1360 - 1390)
Thomas de Harcourt (1377 - 1420) see
http://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00029034&tre...
Jan 28, 2011
James P. LaLone
Melinda, the fun & frustrating part of medieval genealogy is that I am substracting lines more then adding. I am curious for your sources for Gov. Thomas Dudley genealogy. My ex-boss is descended from that line so keep one eye open for that family, although have not really done much on it. Anyway, here are some more takes on his lineage.
http://www.familypage.org/RogerSonoHenry.pdf
Still more -
More options May 10 2009, 12:25 pm
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
From: Nathaniel Taylor <nltay
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 13:25:41 -0400
Local: Sun, May 10 2009 12:25 pm
Subject: Re: Thomas Dudley
In article
<7d1805ca-0310-4806-9737-72a79b4ab
joec
> > Questions for the List:
> > 1. What is the opinion of this List as to Thomas Dudley's possible link to
> > John Sutton, 1st Baron Dudley? Thomas Dudley may also then be a
> > descendant of John Sutton, 3rd Baron Dudley and Cicely Grey (herself a
> > granddaughter of Queen Elizabeth Woodville and Sir John Grey). Would this
> > be correct, or is it all wrong? It does seem this link between Gov.
> > Thomas Dudley & Queen Elizabeth Woodville was mentioned previously on this
> > List:
> This link:
>
> is a discussion of the line, and to me, is very convincing.
Mr. Curtis' document provides a convenient restatement of the Kelley -
Kirk hypothesis, but despite its title no 'proof' was unearthed by
Kelley or Kirk or has been found since. Curtis makes much of the fact
that Dudley was listed in the NEHGS Committee on Heraldry's _Roll of
Arms_, and also that a member of the College of Arms stated, in 1953,
that Dudley's use of the differenced Sutton-Dudley coat offered
'inferential proof' of his belonging to that family.
Mr. Curtis has appended to his pdf a 'rebuttal' to some of the posts
that appeared here back in 2006 mentioning his summary. In the
'rebuttal' Mr. Curtis states that the herald's 1953 statement about the
Dudley arms was "the inspiration for my proof," but there is no
independent evidentiary value in what to my mind was a rather careless
overstatement by the herald.
> I'm told Marshall Kirk had even more evidence that was never published.
Marshall had continued to compile (in parallel with Mr. Fradd)
biographical data on the various principals, some of which could be said
to be consistent with the hypothesis, but he had found nothing
independently probative.
Nat Taylor
a genealogist's sketchbook:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.genealogy.medieval/browse_thread/thread/e7d5e6dc5fbc46d6/53c0bfa6c46294fc?hl=en&lnk=gst&q=thomas+dudley#53c0bfa6c46294fcJan 28, 2011
Lindsey Wolfgang
Hi! I am descended from Eleanor of Aquitane a few different ways, but I'll only post one.
Eleanor of Aquitane- John "Lackland" Plantagenet- Henry Plantagenet- Edward I - Beatrice Plantagenet- Pierre de Bretagne- Peter Morlauix- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- William Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- Thomas Perkins- Henry Perkins- John Perkins- Abraham Perkins- Luke Perkins- Hannah Perkins- Sarah Way- Arthur Emmons- Russell Emmons- Philanous Emmons- Amanda Emmons- Minnie Mahala Norris- Leslie John McBride- Celena Marie McBride- my grandmother- my mother- me.
Jan 28, 2011
Caren
Jan 28, 2011
Lindsey Wolfgang
Jan 28, 2011