Thank you for the information Joyce and John

Barb

That space is intended for city, county, state. The cemetery could be listed in the Burial Notes, but I always put them in the Burial Address. That way you only enter the full information once and then select from the Address List. This is also helpful when printing a list of everyone buried in a particular cemetery. The list of cemeteries can be found in View > Master Lists > Event > Addresses (or something real close to that). This location is also used to list Hospitals (or any common location like a nursing home) in case you have a number of people who died, lets say, in St. Luke's Hospital.

Lisa,
I enter City, County, State so that my locations remain in that format. I add the cemetery name under Burial Notes (the +) -- or I enter the burial as an EVENT for the person. That allows easier searching, etc. Everyone seems to do it differently!
Keith

I personally put the cemetery name in first, then add the city, county and state. It is no problem as I sort the location list by country, state, county, city, then the cemetery or hospital (for death). All burials in the same cemetery are together.

If you sort from small to large, you get all the St. Luke's together, regardless of state.

I just find it easier that way. All I have to do is look in the burial line on the individual page and I know whether I have found the cemetery yet.

Hope this helps.

Joyce

another maybe silly question - I have a number of people who were born at home and I'd like to document that fact, I've been adding "at home" in front of the birth location but am not sure if I'm happy with how it looks, should it go in the notes instead or maybe events?
Also when you have a full street address for a birth or death, should that be stated in location or just list the city
all a bit nit picky I know, but when you are searching through dozens of streets and "at homes" for the source it gets a bit much

where someone is born at home I put the full address in the Location Field for the birth ie. house + street, parish/town/city, county, country - British format :-) - as I do for all Events.

If I was starting afresh I might put a comma after the house (number or name), but would need to check how this would work, in particular for the mapping, first.

In fact, the same as Joyce mentioned for burials. I find that setting the Master Location List to read from right to left makes it very easy to find a location and the locations read well in reports and on websites, whereas the Address fields are not always accessible in these.

As Keith said "everyone one seems to do it differently", and it may largely depend on the output type one may require.

A few years back when genealogy software was not at the level it is today, I revised my data to identify the country first, then the state/shire, then the town, church and if known the place of birth/marraige/death. Since I have records in UK, Canada and USA it has worked well. If I have family buried/originating from a single place, it helps to get the project complete. I think there is a way in Legacy to convert.

thanks everyone, you've given me some good ideas to work on, I would never have thought of using the reverse order of address (ie country first - not sure that I would do that, but it's something to consider) and I haven't tried the mapping yet so am not sure how it will work with what I have done so far.
I've only recently gone to Legacy from FTM so am still discovering things about it and have just spent an entire day "tidying up" my locations, I love being able to get into a list like that - the sources will be next in my housekeeping.

Erica, you enter the address in the usual way, from small to large. Then you go into your master List, location, click on sort. Choose in lower right corner, "Direction of Sort", then choose"Right to Left (Position 1 is on the Right)" It doesn't change the actual list or on the individual screen. It only changes the display of the Master Location List. I really find it much easier to see if I am consistent in entering locations. In short, it's just the way locations are displayed on your master list. Not a permanent change.

thanks Joyce, I didn't know about that sorting - very handy, it's already turned up a few inconsistencies I'd missed before

You're welcome, Erica. Always glad to help!

Am a legacy user 500,000 cousin in file
Ray Stephens
raydstephens@earthlink.net

I just got Legacy 7.0 and am "filling in the boxes" but am also looking into the future as to distributing the family trees to the numerous cousins etall. .
Is it possible to "include" along with the data file some version of either the free
or an earlier form of Legacy on a CD or DVD so the recipient need not have a full blown version and be "into" genealogy to be able to view the data?
Thanks. Lew Hartswick

Click on the marriage icon (showing 2 wives and reorder the marriages (bottom right of screen).

To distribute a CD of your work with a viewer only of LEGACY - Click on the red PE icon. If it is not there - right click on the taskbar (at the top) and DRAG the icon up to your taskbar. I have never tried this - but it should work. I think it is called create CD.

Lewis, you ask can you copy the free version of Legacy onto a CD. To do this you need to down load the Set-up file form the Legacy website and copy this onto the CD. Full instructions are given in the Help Files - see "Create a CD". A couple of things to watch, the file construction on the host's CD has to be the same as yours, so it is easiest to follow the Legacy Guide lines and store your data in C:\Legacy\Data and the pictures in C:\Legacy\Pictures which will avoid problems due to different Windows user names.

Keith mentioned using Passage Express (PE). If I remember correctly there is a facility there which enables one to link the Legacy set-up to the opening screen. The end user will, of course, have to install the program on their PC as it will not run from a CD, and although I didn't specifically say so the files as well!

I am struggling with where to put a newspaper clipping with no date or name of the newspaper. It is an obituary from the early 1900's. What Source Type do you put it in, newspaper? Artifact?

Then, what do you give it for a Source Name? I have put newspaper: Undated clipping and Newspaper: Unknown.

Then, do you add a new Master Source for each one you have?

I bought this program over a year ago and then life took over so I am just not getting back to entering lots of information. I appreciate all the help I can get.

That should be just NOW getting back into entering info. sorry....

Thanks Ron. That is what I'm going to do (or at least try). I have made a CD now I
just need a "likely suspect" to try the "Beta test ". :-)
Keith I tried that "red PE" bit and had to download another pgm and even then it
didn't make much of a presentation for the results.

I downloaded the new Legacy 7.4 and was blocked because I was not a member of the church. After volunteering and transcribing / arbitrating more than 116,000 names does this seem fair

I thought it was explained rather nicely why we had to wait. I'm okay with it. I've waited this long. I can wait a little longer. I feel for you and your frustration. You've performed a great service for all of us in transcribing / arbitrating that many names. Thank you!

I too have been transcribing records for FS, but we always knew it was going to be a rolling program for the release of the records.

Maybe they should allow us LDS transcribers into the next batch of users before it is open to the public as a reward for services rendered!!!!!

Could someone explain to me why anyone is blocked from FS on the new Legacy 7.4 when you can just go to the site directly and get any info you want for free and you don't have to be a member of the church?

As I understand it, the access is currently limited to the old IGI (more or less) but with the improved search. It does not include the full transcripts which are being recorded.

I am, however, open to correction on this,

Stephanie this is a new part of familysearch.org which will open up all the material that has been posted. I will include all the family trees, IGI information etc. Right now its only available to their church members and a few helpers at the LDS libraries soon it will be open to everyone. Though not a church member I do have access as I help out at the library and assist their members. It will be a very good feature and you will be able to find matches from your tree etc. I have only spent a short time reviewing the feature and the tie in with Legacy but so far it looks very good. Hopefully later this year it will be open to everyone and could lead to some very good leads in our research. All we have to do is remain patient as its a very big endeavour for both Legacy and Family Search.

The FamilySearch site at www.familysearch.org is still available to everyone. Everyone can access Ancestral File, the IGI, etc. there, as has been the case for years.

There is also a "New FamilySearch" site at new.familysearch.org that consolidates several databases (Ancestral File, IGI, some Pedigree Resource File, etc.). This is the site that is currently only available to LDS Church members, though that will eventually change and the general public will have access to it.

Legacy 7.4 (and 7.5 when it's released) has features that interact with the New FamilySearch site. Since only LDS Church members can use New FamilySearch right now, that's why some people are "blocked" from having 7.4 interact with New FamilySearch. But Legacy 7.4 does NOT block anyone from accessing "regular" FamilySearch.

I hope that helps clarify things!

RayDean
You described the problem very well. If it is available, why is anyone blocked? When I started transcribing or when I purchased Legacy I was not asked for my church number. That is when I should have been blocked - from volunteering. A church member that has not contributed to the project has full access!!

I agree that both RayDean and Rick explained it all very well but I still see no point in releasing a version of Legacy at this time if that element is not available to the user. I think David makes a very good point in that he did a lot of work and cannot even view the fruits of his labors. I would be a very unhappy camper having not been told that all beforehand.

Unless someone can tell me what other advantages there are in this new download then I'll stick with the older version.

Back when I first volunteered to work on the data base it was touted as a "good cause" for those of us interested in genealogy. There were no "points" or other restrictions. These have all been added as the data base has achieved some size. At the time, it was described as being a value to all of us.

Since it is FS and not Legacy which is restricting access to their data, shouldn't complaints about it be addressed to them?

Stephanie, a number of bugs have been corrected in 7.4.

Ron
Family Search has pulled a fast one. BUT what good is my investment in Legacy if I can't run all its features?? Legacy should put pressure on the church or not included a restrictive feature. Both seem to have overlooked decentcy

I agree with David and we all paid good money for a product and expect it to deliver. They should fix bugs, agreed, but not release a version that has a feature you can't even access yet.

David, we must agree to disagree, I did know that the FS program would be rolled out slowly, even the LDS bit has only gradually been released from area to area in the States. Legacy has always been open about this upgrade not giving access to the nFS, and I was aware of all of this before I started to transcribe for FS.

I have no problem with LDS members having access to tools for their purposes, after all I will never use them. I am also prepared to wait for the full public release by FS. I still consider that any complaints should be made to them, after all this problem exists for all companies which are making the direct link available, and I don't think one can blame them for keeping up to date with what ever facilities are available - even if limited.

WOW! I can not believe people are so upset that a future feature is included in a FREE upgrade to a program that costs under $50 US (and can be used for FREE in Standard Version). It is crazy! Most programs upgrade every few YEARS - Legacy - every few months! Most programs charge for every upgrade - Legacy - very rarely! LDS allows non-members into their database and it costs them to maintain the system to do so. Have you all gone a bit overboard here!?!?!?

Stephanie, My comment to David was to be my last on this topic, but this one will be. As I explained earlier there are two parts to the Family Search addition, one of which is for LDS only, so you will never be able to access that bit. It is up to Family Search who, and when, they allow to access their data.

For those of you who might not be aware of its existence, much new information is available from: http://familysearchlabs.org/
I've been using its resource for well over a year, having added much new information to my family records.

I know this is a Legacy board, not a FamilySearch board, but hopefully this will clarify some of the confusion I'm seeing, as it relates to the release of Legacy 7.4. Sorry if it gets long; I want to be concise and thorough.

The LDS Church has many new projects underway. These new projects do not (for now) change the FamilySearch website at which the general public can access the IGI and other databases.

One new project is called New FamilySearch (NFS), with which Legacy 7.4 (and eventually 7.5) can interact. An important feature of NFS is the creation of a “common pedigree.” Mankind’s “common pedigree” is obviously not limited to LDS folks, but as the program is developed, LDS Church members are the “guinea pigs” until the program is ready for release to the public. This limited access is only temporary!

Right now, temporarily, since only LDS Church members can access NFS, LDS Church members are the only ones who can use 7.4/5's NFS interaction features. (Remember, all Legacy users benefit from 7.4's other update features!) BUT when the public gets access to NFS’s common pedigree, the interaction tools in 7.4/5 will work for everyone. Anyone who is “blocked” right now from using Legacy’s 7.4 / NFS interaction tools will not be blocked for long. (At least not according to software-development time reckoning!) And as an LDS Legacy user, I couldn’t get my hands on 7.4 fast enough! And 7.4 is barely tiding me over as I wait for 7.5! :)

Though these next FamilySearch projects don’t relate directly to Legacy, they have been addressed on this board, and need clarifying.

Another project, separate from the NFS common pedigree, is FamilySearch Indexing. Volunteers from around the world (not just LDS) download an image/page of a record and type out, or “index,” selected information. “Arbitrators” help with data-quality review. MANY THANKS to all who help with this great work!!! Keep it up, and please encourage others to participate.

Why should we Index? Because there is another new project in development called FamilySearch Record Search Pilot. This site allows the public to access, search, and view the results of Indexing work. Still in an early stage, Record Search has tremendous potential for researchers around the world. Nobody will be restricted from using the results of their indexing efforts.

I’m afraid perhaps the FamilySearch “umbrella” has caused confusion. The temporary limited access to NFS (and thus the temporary hold on Legacy 7.4's interaction features for everyone) should not be confused with unlimited, free access to the results of Indexing work. If you have questions about FamilySearch projects, please post a comment on my page or on the FamilySearch Enthusiasts group board.

Kudos to Legacy for making 7.4 with its NFS interaction tools available! Please hurry with 7.5 so I can sync!

First many thanks to Donald for that new FS link. I had been using the old FS and gave your link a try. First shot I cam up with a birth certificate of a family I'm working on now. Great! Thanks a lot!

To RayDean--Thanks again for clarifying everything to all of us. It was nice of you to write it all up in detail.

New Family Search does not have the records that have been indexed. Go to the home page of the old Family Search and click on the tab Search Records. Then go to Record Search pilot. It looks to me like anyone would be able to use this.

pilot.familysearch.org is the direct address to the indexed records (takes you to the same place Patricia's directions do). I have to wonder, how many Legacy users really bought the program for the future linkup with NFS? I didn't. It seems to me it's a case of the glass half empty to the glass half full... You are not paying extra for a feature you are not using. You are getting a feature you may be able to use in the future for free... I understand the frustration at having to wait, and believe me, I was a bit put out when I found out I wouldn't be able to access the NFS when it was released for members, but I don't understand why people are fussing about Legacy being (better than) on the ball and having their software linkup before the release of the NFS to the public. I say, "Go Legacy!" I love Legacy, and after using several other gen programs, I think it's the best.

Jen you are probably right that some of the complaints about the availability of nFS being overstated. That said, I think Legacy have made an error in the way this has been handled. They concentrated too much on this one major enhancement together with a 'few' bug fixes which has only pleased LDS members, leaving a lot of other folk, especially LDS tanscribers feeling dissapointed. It appears Legacy is a tool for the LDS members first and a commercial genealogy computer program second. If it continous on this path, I think some of the non LDS people will be switching to other programs.

Norm
I think you are right on. All of us are very interested in genealogy - not selectively, but anywhere I can research it. I don't believe there are multiple data bases being maintained at FS. I do believe the old one needed a lot of work. I get the canned "thanks for all the work I am doing" on every contact. It would have been decent to include the volunteers. I also want access to all options of Legacy, Ancestry, etc or any other research tool I purchase.

My comment is addressed to those on the list who are not members of the Church but who are Legacy users and is to augment the comment added by Raedean (below) ...

I think some of the confusion in all this is due to misunderstanding of the purpose of the New Family Search (nFS) interface. Currently, this is the interface whereby members of the Church can submit ancestral names for Temple ordinances. There is no reason that a non-member would need to access this interface at the moment unless they were volunteering in a FHC where they were required to assist members in preparing Temple Submissions. Trust me when I tell you that Legacy's interaction with nFS is a God-send for those who need access to nFS on a regular basis, as without the Legacy interface, nFS is *painfully* slow!! There is no "restriction" in access to the data that is available in nFS ... the same information is available in a different format in FS. Since nFS is currently in Beta only, it is not unreasonable to have a focus group (i.e. Church members) as full access users until it is ready for release to the general public.

Now, as for transcribing of the microfilms in the vaults (FamilySearch Indexing Project) ... this is not related to nFS and is something that benefits all researchers everywhere. Access to all of this data is currently made through the "old" FamilySearch (FS) site [www.familysearch.org>Search Records>Record Search Pilot] and is available to any/everyone. I, personally, have arbitrated over 10,000 names and indexed thousands as well - none of them in areas that I would find my own records, but to benefit others. That's the joy of this!

I commend the Legacy developers who have undertaken to release a product that benefits the many (you must admit that Legacy is awesome!), as well as the few (i.e. for members of the Church to submit ancestral names for Temple ordinances). Many of you may not realize that there are at least four other software programs that have also released products recently that are "FamilySearch Certified". So the "point" in releasing a version of Legacy that interfaces with nFS is because the demand exists. One other company released a product that is an add-on to interface with the outdated PAF. Legacy developers have opted to include this the general release of their product because I believe they know that eventually it will benefit all of Legacy users.

Now, after all this explanation, if there are still those who feel that they need to insist on being able to access nFS before its release to the general public, we can certainly arrange for two very nice young men (or women) to drop by and explain to you the reasons why we do Temple work in the first place :) ...

I really hope this explanation helps. Essentially there are three versions of Legacy: Standard, Deluxe ... and "Super-Deluxe". The Deluxe version has features that are not available in the Standard version and, well, the "Super-Deluxe" version has features not (yet) available to all who use the Deluxe version. Just be patient! it will happen ... and there won't be any additional charges. And for those of us who currently have access to the nFS interface ... we are anxiously awaiting the 7.5 release so that we can import (update) our Legacy files with whatever information we find using the nFS search interface. Maybe we could then change the Super-Deluxe version to the Celestial version! :)

Cheers!

In any future updates to SourceWriter, will there be anything dealing with non-population schedules?

Anyone else having trouble downloading the latest version - I can't get a response from the download site - when I tried it from the link inside Legacy it died at about 8% and now wants me to go the download site - but that's not working either. Can't get into Legacy at all now! very frustrating!

Karen: The download tends to stall momentarily around 8 minutes. Do not be in a hurry, it will start again. Hope this helps

I am having a major headache with the updated version of Legacy Deluxe. The option for "Show line back to starting person" under the Descendant Book no longer functions. It used to but at some upgrade point, between now and 2 years back, it no longer functions. I am in the process of publishing my second book and very much want this feature. Can someone advise please?

Judy,
I have checked this using a variety of settings and confirm the problem, which I have reported. I doubt if anything can be done before the nest update.

Or indeed the next update :-)