Hello John....Thanks for the invitation. I believe my Irish ancestors came from County Cavan but probably have links to County Fermanagh and County Longford as well.

John, Thanks for the invite. Maybe together we can get linked.

I think my Andrew Noble was the brother of John Noble b 19 Aug 1817 in Maguiresbridge who died in Ontario in 1861 according to an Ancestry.com family tree. My DNA matches the Y-DNA kit at Family Tree DNA's Noble and Nobles Group Y-DNA member results for item #11. The online DNA kit record for John's line is considerably shorter than my Ancestry.com DNA kit result, but the available portion matches item for item. My results are also extremely close to a number of other kit results there. I've written to Joseph Noble, the host of the Noble and Nobles group, and to the owner of the Ancestry family tree, but so far I've not heard back from either.

My Noble records are posted at Rootsweb WorldConnect in a dataset called pnoble66. Search for George Patrick Noble b 23 Mar 1923 -- my father -- and you'll come upon my Carr surname database rather easily.

My Andrew Noble was living in Enniskillen on Fort Hill ST in 1862 along with my great-grandfather Robert Noble. Robert married Mary Anne McDermott in 1874 and had a handful of kids, including my grandfather Robert James Noble. Young Robert went to sea, as did his older brother George. Robert started out on Anchor Lines of Glasgow, then went to New York and switched to the Panama Canal Steamship and Railroad Co, making runs to the Canal Zone during its construction and beyond. He met my grandmother in Baltimore, worked as a chef at hotels and resorts, and died in Norfolk, Va in 1951. My Dad served in Australia during WWII and lived most of his married life in suburban Washington, DC, where I was raised.

I'm excited to think these two lines might be merged based on DNA evidence. Are you a descendant of John's line? Can you help me tie things together?

How exciting for both of you! Have you both put your DNA results into Ysearch.org? That is a good way to compare.

It would appear that in fact Pat Noble and I match on 25 of 25 markers!! Wow! Maybe all hope is not lost in finding those elusive Irish ancestors!

This is great! If we're persistent, I think we'll start making more of these connections and find where our genes (and ancestors) crossed. Cavan, Fermanagh, Monaghan and even Longford counties are not that big an area -- our families were obviously all related and not far apart.

Terry steered me in this direction, and I'm glad he did. Thank you for letting me join. Terry and I have years invested in trying to trace our family before 1800. I'm glad to be included in the group.

I have now ordered the next set of DNA tests - the Y 25-37 one. Pat Noble has results for 37 markers and since we match on 25 of 25, it would be even better if we could match on 37 of 37!!

According to FamilyTree DNA, my results for the Y-Refine25to37(Y-DNA26-37 Markers) are expected on 03/03/2010 - so we will have to wait until then to see if Pat and I match any further!

Terry, I posted my results to Y-Share at your suggestion. Thanks.

I have account VVH2T (two vees, not a W) at Family Tree DNA's YSearch site. If you're unfamiliar with the site and have DNA results from someplace other than Family Tree DNA, you might want to visit www.ysearch.org and establish an account.

My Ancestry.com test only has 30 markers in common with John's test, even though we both have paid for 37 marker tests. FTDNA and Ancestry test different things, I guess. My cynical side says it is a money making scheme, but I digress.

I was finally able to conduct test comparisons at Ysearch, but only after John gave me some pointers and a little prodding. Here is what I found:

I have a genetic distance of 1 based on 25 markers with Bruce Noble (KT95P). Bruce traces his lineage back to an Andrew Noble born circa 1800 in County Tyrone.

I have a genetic distance of 2 based on 30 markers with three users:

Michael Noble (D64QD) traces his lineage back to a Robert Noble born 1783 in Corhanagh, County Cavan.

Terry Noble (NRZ7T) traces his lineage back to a Henry Noble born circa 1798 and died 1836. No geographic info provided.

John Noble (AD93A) traces his lineage back to a John Noble born in 1817 in Maguiresbridge, County Fermanagh. He died in 1861.

I presume that Mike, Terry, and John are those who are members of this group. Is Bruce in this group as well? If not, I've written him and will try to encourage him to do so.

BTW, I have a DNA group at Ancestry if anyone wants to join it. It is called Noble R1b in Ireland. There's no point in maintaining discussions in both places, so I'll chat here, but you might want to add your name to the site and initiate an alert just in case someone comes along and posts to that group and not here.

My Andrew Noble was on Fort Hill ST in Enniskillen in the 1862 Griffith's Valuation, as was Robert Noble, presumably his son born about 1852.

According to Ancestry, there were also listings for Andrew Noble's in an index to Griffith's Valuation (1848-1864) in Fermanagh, Aghalurcher, Derryloman; in Cavan, Urney, Tullyymongan Lower; and in Fermanagh, Magheraculmoney, Slievebane. Does anyone here have the details of these index hits?

The Ireland Tithe Applotment Books (1824-1837) show an Andrew Noble in 1835 in Fermanagh, Derryvullan, Tamlaght.

Ancestry says this about the tithe applotment source:

Source Information:
Heritage World and the Genealogical Publishing Company. Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1824-1837 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: Tithe applotment books for Northern Ireland, 1823-1828. National Archives, Dublin and Public Record Office of Northern Ireland.

Description:
The Tithe Applotment Books record the results of a unique land survey taken to determine the amount of tax payable by landholders to the Church of Ireland, the established church until 1869. They are known as the Tithe Applotment Books because the results of this land survey were originally compiled in nearly 2,000 hand-written books. This data set represents a virtual census for pre-Famine Ireland. Since it covers all of Ireland it is immensely important in terms of constructing, not just an image of a particular family line, but of wider social conditions in the country.

The Tithe Applotment Books are not comprehensive and some parts of the country were not surveyed. It should not be assumed that these 'exceptions' from the tithe survey were due to parishes being overlooked since there are usually explanations as to why they were tithe-free. In some cases there are no tithe books because a certain parish did not exist, or was part of another parish, at the time of the survey. There were also some parishes outside parochial jurisdiction, such as the above-mentioned granges, while glebe lands and all towns were also exempt. Details of exceptions are provided below:

* County Antrim Parishes

o Glynn: names of landowners only

o Glenwhirry: no agricultural land worth assessing

o Granges of Ballyscullion, Doagh, Inispollan, Layd, Muckamore: all tithe-free

o Grange of Drumtullagh: tithe entries in applotment book for Derrykeighan parish

o Grange of Nilteen: originally included in applotment book for Donegore parish

o Shankill: tithe applotment entries entered in Belfast parish

* County Armagh Parishes

o Armagh: names of leaseholders for five townlands only

o Kilclooney [Kilcluney]: tithe entries in applotment book for Mullaghbrack parish

o Kildarton: formed 1840; tithe entries in Armagh, Lisnadill, Loughgall and Mullaghbrack

* County Derry Parishes

o Agivey: described as 'extra-parochial'

o Carrick: formed 1846; tithe entries in Balteagh, Bovevagh and Tamlaght Finlagan parishes

o Formoyle [Fermoyle]: formed 1843; tithe entries in Dunboe parish

o Learmount: formed 1831; tithe entries in Banagher, Cumber Upper and Cumber Lower

o Templemore: tithe entries to be found in Deanery of Derry

* County Down Parishes

o Castleboy: tithe-free

o Holywood: former site of priory, and records show that no tithes were ever taken here

o Killaney: no tithe applotment book exists

o Newry: no tithe applotment book exists

o Warrenpoint: formed 1825; tithe entries found in applotment book for Clonallen parish

* County Fermanagh Parishes

o Devenish: tithe survey (1824) gives only townland names and a few large landowners.

o Clones and Currin: tithe entries in County Monaghan

o Kinawley and Tomregan: tithe entries in County Cavan

o Templecarn: tithe entries in County Donegal

* County Tyrone Parishes

o Donaghedy [Donagheady]: no tithe applotment book exists

o Errigal Trough: tithe entries in County Monaghan

o Urney: tithe entries in County Donegal

I've updated my data at Ysearch with John's help. I thought the markers were in numeric order and ended up missing 7 of them: 441, 444, 445, 446, 452, 461, and 462. Mea culpa.

With the new data added, John and I are still genetic distance 2 with 30 markers compared, but the other two with genetic distance 2 (Michael, Terry) have 32 markers to compare with me. The one with genetic distance 1 with 25 markers (Bruce) remains unchanged.

Pat still has to put in values for markers 438 and 442 -- when he does that we will be okay with 438 (all at 12) - however marker 442 for Pat is 17 and we are at 12.. that means that he and I will now be a genetic distance of 7 ( I won't be able to pull that up on ysearch as it maxes at 6)! Mike and Terry will be a genetic distance of 6.

Forgot.. Mike and Terry - we are still a genetic distance of 4!

Pat has now all his marker values in ysearch --- use this criteria to see the results -

on at least 8 markers, allowing a genetic distance of 1 per marker matched above 20.
Showing matches with last name Noble.

The DNA markers are interesting input to the search, but they won't identify specific ancestors. We still have to backtrack step by step to identify each ancestor and try to establish where our lines do cross. It is certainly helpful to know that our families are related, but my current stumbling block is trying to find who were Robert's parents and where were they from, and the numbers just don't tell me that (unless I'm missing something).

It is even more curious, to me, to know that Terry and I match on all 67 markers, yet my ancestor emigrated from Ireland in the mid-1840's, stopping in Illinois and ending up in Missouri, while his went to North Carolina in the mid-1700's and ended up in Illinois. Grandparents, uncles or cousins? Undoubtedly, but we haven't been able to identify the link yet.

Michael.. I agree this DNA just adds a little interest to all our searching, but unfortunately it does not provide actual names! The old brickwalls are still there! However, when one matches with another like you and Terry, it might give a common thread at some point in time! Oh well, it keeps us interested!!

By the way, I have invited Bruce to join us -- and also asked him to upload the rest of his markers beyond 25 on ysearch!

Has anyone used Olive Tree Genealogy -- do they have more or different info than Ancestry? I'm looking for ships passenger lists 1840-1845 but they didn't have much for that period.

I have used Olive Tree occasionally, but found it did not have much of what I was looking for!

I've not used Olive Tree.

Here is another project group in FamilyTreeDna that I am a part of -- geared to any ancestors from Ulsters - I have asked the adminstrator to set up a Noble section in the results page!
https://www.familytreedna.com/group-join.aspx?code=T40804&Group...

I have decided to go ahead and get the rest of my DNa tested - the y37-Y67 refine. The sample will probably go into tomorrow's batch (Feb17) and if it is was like the last one, it only took about 3 weeks, even though they had said about 6!! I am curious to see if Mike and Terry and I stay at the same genetic distance of 4!! I have asked Bruce to upload the balance of his to Ysearch but have not had a reply from him as yet - although he did join genealogywise yesterday but not this group as yet!

Hello fellow Nobles. I am Andrew Noble, living in UK. I am the great grandson of a Thomas Noble from Lisbellow, Co. Fermanagh and reasonably familiar with the area around Enniskillen and Maguiresbridge. There are a handful of direct relatives living in the area, who can trace their ancestors back to a William Noble of Arda, Maguiresbridge (1814-1895). William I believe was married to Ann. They are buried at Old Derryvullan graveyard (with a Jane Graham, possibly sister of William). Unfortunately I have failed to go back further, owing to loss of records in Dublin riots in 1922 and lack of time to search locally. Would be interested to hear of anyone who has an interest in this William Noble.

Welcome aboard Andrew!! Hopefully we can help each other finding those elusive ancestors!