Erv Nelson

Male

Manassas, VA

United States

Profile Information:

What surnames are you interested in researching?
Nilsson Johanson Jönsson Johanesson Aspegren Israelson Klintberg Rutting Larsson Petersson Pettersson Pehrsson Salima
What countries and other locations are you interested in researching?
Sweden
What is your level of genealogy knowledge?
Advanced Family History Researcher

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  • Lynn Anderson

    Hi Erv,

    Can you attach a map image to a message posted here? Or can you post a link to the exact map?  Let's try one and see what we can get out of it. Be sure to send a verbal description... where are we talking about and what year.  And exactly what do you want to learn.  Is this from the Kalmar-based family you had some earlier posts about? 

     

    When trying to locate a Swedish place I use 1) Svensk Ortförteckning 1965 at my local Family History Center  2) Auto club atlases which have good detail at 1:200 000 scale  3) Lantmäteriet online maps  and of course Google is always worth a try (very important to use Swedish letters).  I take the parish list in Cradled In Sweden as the best official list of parishes. 

     

    For other observers... Lantmäteriet is a Swedish government agency similar to USGS in the United States. They print govenment maps and apparently approve any published maps in Sweden. Swedish topographical maps scale 1:50 000 can be very useful looking at small local areas.

  • Lynn Anderson

    Regarding Örsbyholm in Jönköpings län.

    Your map did not help me. I tried several map services.  Google map does not use Swedish letters and does not find your farm by name. Finally, using Eniro (sort of the Swedish version of Mapquest) both Örsbyholm and Örby are clearly marked and you can zoom in to see the modern buildings. My guess is the home for Örbyholm lies about 200m west of the north end of Hemsjö, the little lake, at the intersection. 

    Svensk Ortförteckning simply shows Örsbyholm as a gård, a farm. You cannot tell from that if it is part of a bigger estate.

    What was your person-s title or occupation on the husförhörslängd or death registe? His title probably would indicate if he was a tenant or owner.

  • Lynn Anderson

    At another source.

    If you want historical maps you can look here http://historiskakartor.lantmateriet.se/arken/s/search.html

     

    With this map I see the railroad alignment used to run on the west side of the lake but the buildings look similar to the Eniro modern map. Now if you were going to visit, I would knock on that door first and inquire about the history of the farm.  

  • Lynn Anderson

    Oooops. I saw the map but missed the other pages. Now I am having trouble opening the file to see the 100 pages. I will try again later... it may be communications problem.

  • Lynn Anderson

    Ok. I finally got the program to load. Yes, there is all kinds of stuff I missed but I could not get Djvu to show more than a narrow band of picture... but it worked.  Here is page one my Swedish transcription (nodoubt flawed) and my English translation (even more flawed):

    Mätnings Protokoll

    År 1848 den 25de Juli, inställte sig underteck- nad Commissions Landtmätare uti Örsby- holms Säterie, beläget i Jönköpings Län, Wästra Härad och Ljunga Socken, för att, till sälje af nedan intagne förordnade, werk- ställar laga Skifte på alla ägorne till denna samfallighet, hvarwid, efter å fredikskolen i Ljunga Kyrka den 2de nästlidne Juli iggiläst kungörelse, sig inställte af detägarne

    För Bengtsgården 1 helt mantal, deraf Magnus Jonasson äger 5/16de Swen Olstedt 5/16 del Enken Lena Maria SamuelsDotter i Elgabäck, genon Sonen Johan andersos son äger 1/4del och Swen Magnus Johannessson 1/8 dels mantal. 

    Smedjegården 1 helt Mantal deraf Pehr Johan Gustafsson äger 2/4 del Nils Carlsson 1/4del, Anders Svens son 1/4del och Gustaf Carlsson genom dess Son Carl August 1/4dels Mantal. 

    Mauritzgården 1/2 Mantal, deraf äger Andreas Svens son 1/4del, Olaus Svensson 1/8del och Lars Lindberg 1/8dels Mantal. 

    Backegården 1 helt Mantal, deraf Jonas Halmström 1/4del, Johannes Magnusson 1/4del Johannes Jonasson 1/4del och Johan Carlsson 1/4dels Mantal                                              Södergården.

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    Land survey report

     On 25 July1848 the undersigned  commissions surveyor appeared at Örsbyholm  manor, located in Jönköpings Län, Wästra Härad och Ljunga Socken,  to facilitate the sale acting for the below, executing the  change of all properties in this joint  community, herewith, after the Fredik school in  Ljunga Church on the 2nd of ??? July public  announcement, the set of participants. 

     For Bengtsgården 1 mantal, thereof Magnus Jonasson  owns 5/16 part, Swen Olstedt 5/16 part, widow Lena Maria  Samuelsdotter in Elgabäck through son Johan Andersson  owns 1/4 part, and Swen Magnus Johannesson 1/8 part  mantal. 

     Smedjegården full mantal thereof Pehr Johan  Gustafsson owns 2/4 part, Nils Carlsson 1/4 part, Anders Svensson  1/4 part, and Gustaf Carlsson by his son Carl  August 1/4 part mantal. 

     Mauritzgården 1/2 mantal, of it Andreas Svensson  owns 1/4 part, Olaus Svensson 1/8 part, and Lars Lindberg  1/8 part mantal. 

     Backegården one whole Mantal, of it Jonas Halmström  1/4 part, Johannes Magnusson 1/4 part, Johannes Jonasson  1/4 part, and Johan Carlsson 1/4 part mantal.      Södergården.