Germany and German Ancestry

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Comment by Cheryl on April 14, 2010 at 8:44pm

Wow thank you Michael, This is them......great english...lol. Minnie's sister should be Doris and I believe there are two more siblings. My sister has some census records and from year to year you can see the children gone and then back again. The record of Harold (another brother) and Minnie has been found in the census of the Hebrew Childrens Asylum abt. 1911 to 1918 which matches them missing from the home census. In that one the parents are from Austria and the kids speak german. Just can't seem to push past the kids to see where the parents are actually from. and now we have another mystery to solve, Why were the children removed? Not hard to conjecture being that immigrants had a very difficult time surviving the first few years after getting here.

Thank you so much for looking this up for me, you're a great help.

Comment by Cheryl on April 14, 2010 at 7:26pm

I'm researching my great grandparents Jacob and Esther Dicker who arrived in New York sometime between 1880 and 1900. Their Daughter is Minnie Mildred Dicker (my fathers mother). My grandmother never told anyone her history or anything about her family. My sister just found information that leads us to believe that Minnie and her family were German Jewish, she found Minnie and 3 other siblings had possibly been taken from thier home and put into a Hebrew asylum in Brooklyn NY. Trouble is that we have no documentation on minnies birth or her parents birth due to a fire where the records were held.


Does anyone have advice on where to start? I thought maybe court documents from that time period but don't know what to ask for exactly, or even where to look for such records.

Comment by Cindy Abrams on April 14, 2010 at 7:03pm

Carolyn, My ancestors were in the Venne immigrants. My 3rd great-grandfather was Johann Heinrich Tormohlen, they wer from Osanbruck.

Comment by Catherine Davis on April 14, 2010 at 4:01pm

Helen--I meant to type Johanna, not Johann. As a PS, William Brose's naturalization record has the exact same citation as Johanna's. T

Comment by Catherine Davis on April 14, 2010 at 3:53pm

Helen, found the following naturalization info for Johanna Brose on ancestry.com:
Minnesota Naturalization Records Indes 1854-1957
Johann Brose
County: Swift
Reel 1
Code 3
Vol A-3
p 199
declaration of intent
years 1888-1907 & 1909
numbers 1-448
I also found the following description of how to use this info to obtain more information about the naturalization documents:

Source Information
Peterzen, Conrad, ed.. Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1999.

About Minnesota Naturalization Records Index, 1854-1957
Several years ago, the Iron Range Research Center purchased the entire set of microfilmed Minnesota County Naturalization Records (61 counties) from the Minnesota Historical Society. Because the record set was one of the most widely used records in the Iron Range Research Center, it quickly became apparent that the indexes to the records were incomplete and often inaccurate. Conrad Peterzen, a Research Center volunteer, resolved to make a new comprehensive index to the entire set. His index recorded the name of each person requesting citizenship and included the following information: Spouses name, county of residence, microfilm reel reference, print volume, and page number. The index also includes records of people who were denied citizenship and those who never completed the process. The present version of the index contains all of the 61 counties and roughly over 865,000 records.

The fact that spouses are listed in the index can be especially important because before 1922, women became citizens through their husbands and did not have their own papers. This index provides the necessary information for researchers to access the original papers in the microfilm collection. The microfilmed papers contain most of the relevant genealogical information, i.e., dates and places of birth and marriage.

Note: While most of the locations refer to counties, the following names are cities in St. Louis County: Ely, Duluth, Hibbing, and Virginia.

To receive additional information and forms to access your ancestor's naturalization documents, please contact: Iron Range Research Center

To contact the Iron Range Research Center directly, you can write them at:

Iron Range Research Center
ATTN: Naturalization
801 SW Hwy. 169, Suite 1
Chisholm, MN 55719

Phone: (218) 254-7959

Fax: (218) 254-7971

Email:yourroots@ironworld.com

Please include as much information as possible.

Comment by Carolyn Bening on April 14, 2010 at 3:38pm

I am interested in sharing stories and ancestors with descendents of immigrants from Venne, Ostercappeln (Niedersachsen) Germany. My husband's families are from Venne and neighboring villages where we have made good friends. A very detailed book on the lives of tenant farmers in Venne who emigrated in the 19th century, including a list of over 2000 immigrants and their destinations, is Venne in America by Udo Thoerner. More details on the book and websites for Venne on my blog.

Comment by Helen Pust on April 14, 2010 at 1:28pm

On all the papers I have so far regarding my grandparents country of birth states they were born in Prussia or Germany. I have found grandfather August Pust on Italia ship passenger manifest coming out of Swinemunde with Zehrten as orgin. My grandmother is elusive though. I'm not sure if she came over with family and married William Brose in Minnesota or if they were married when they immigrated. On his passenger manifest it doesn't show her there. On the 1900 Census it is listed that her immigration year was 1884. On a paper that has been in the family for some time her name shows as Johanna Luecke or Lueke --not sure. Swift County His. Soc. have given all they can find on both William and Johanna. They found my grandparents marriage in 1895 but nothing on what happened to William leaving her either widow or what. Any suggestions? Thanks

Comment by Susan Teresa Holmes on April 7, 2010 at 7:13am

Catherine, Thank you so much for your information, it sure gives me plenty to keep me busy for sure.

Comment by Catherine Davis on April 6, 2010 at 6:25pm

Marcy and Susan, German civil or church records might be a place to look, and according to familysearch.org, the Family History Centers have microfilms of this kind of information for both Magdeburg and Karlsruhe (Susan, your father and aunt may both be right--Karlsruhe is a city in the old state of Baden). Unfortunately, though, both Madgeburg and Karlsruhe are big enough to have several divisions, each with their own churches, etc., so a search through the records could be long and tedious unless you can narrow down the area you need. One suggestion another user of this group made a little while ago was to check phone books for the various areas and see if people with your surname now seem to fall into one area or another, then check that area's church and civil records in the hopes that the family has had a consistent presence in that area.
Michael Boscarato (below) suggested trying www.dastelefonbuch.de for this latter kind of check.

Comment by Marcy Sprott on April 6, 2010 at 9:21am

Hello. I have many German ancestors but the one I am most interested in at the moment is Wilhelm Heinrich Bergfeld, born 30 May 1868 in or near Magdeburg. Arrived in Galveston, TX at age 14 in 1882, traveling either with his mother or grandmother. I have requested his naturalization record from Caldwell County, TX and hope that gives more details. However, would LOVE to see any record of him prior to his immigration....names of parents or other family in Germany. Thanks.

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