Haplogroup H

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Comment by Peiternella Suzzanna Hymen on July 12, 2010 at 1:11am

Hi Janis, your could even be in a sub branch of H4b. I have 9 sequences (branch motif is T10166C) in my data base and 4 of these have the 160893C .
However, you will not really know what sub branch you are in until you have a full sequence. The four that have this 16093C are from a Shlush_2008 paper submitted to Phylotree.
I have eight H1f sequences and they are all from Finland.
There is also 10 sequences in the database that are classified as just H who all share this mutation which I have placed in a group
Pretty hard to say where you are in the H group at this stage though.

Comment by Janis Cortese on July 8, 2010 at 5:05pm

Hello -- I'm a rank newbie who just got her mtDNA results back from the Genographic Project at the National Geographic. I'm H with the SNPs 16093C and 16519C. I'm a bit confused since the former indicates H1f and the latter H2a4; however the latter also is apparently common and tends to pop up a lot, so I'm guessing that the 16093C is the most definitive in terms of placing me in the common H1f subclade. My family is completely Italian to my knowledge, so no surprise there.

Anyhow, I'm still sort of getting my feet wet in this stuff, so I hope to learn a lot.

Comment by Kay Fordham on May 19, 2010 at 9:54am

I belong to the mtDNA Haplogroup FGS Project: H11. My kit number is 151816 and I am listed as an unassigned member. I do have a match on both HVR1 & 2 (none in the FGS) who resided in the same area of New York as my ancestress - but no connection as of yet with a paper trail. Likely back many generations.

My results are also on GenBank - accession number GU945760. No exact matches there. Those close are all over the place. Wondering if my trail leads back to Slovakia or some such place. Fun to ponder over the possibilities.

Comment by Mardon Erbland on May 19, 2010 at 3:35am

Thanks for the information Peiternella. I'm also somewhat unusual on the Y side where I'm Q1a3*.

At FTDNA my mtDNA matches page shows 2 low resolution matches on HVR1, 2 low resolution matches on HVR2 but no high resolution HVR1+ HVR2 matches and no FGS (full genome sequence) matches.

At FTDNA I'm a member of the project group, "H Subclade Discovery". Their goal is to "Define new subclades of H." In order to be accepted for membership into this project, you must have taken an mtDNA FGS test. As I write this, my kit #38126 is one of the 103 kits listed in the "Unassigned Members" cluster. (http://www.familytreedna.com/public/mtdna_hstar/default.aspx?sectio...

Comment by Peiternella Suzzanna Hymen on May 18, 2010 at 10:08pm

Hi Mardon, I have completed the database with all the sequences available at Genbank
Even when I compare you with other sequences to look for patterns, and allowing for a possible back mutation of a defining motif, there are none as yet.
Comparing your motifs,
G16438A,
A16212G, to others in the database, shows that you are unique and that maybe at FTDNA ( they must have heaps of full sequences that are not at Genbank) A8638G shows only 2 on my database you and an H30 but you have nothing else in common with that H30.
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G16438A are on MitoWheel it says that there are 4 out 3735 on their database and A16212G 13 out of 3735.
Maybe you are another sub branch of H, using A16212G G16438A

Comment by Peiternella Suzzanna Hymen on May 10, 2010 at 8:21pm

Mardon here is an example of an H2a2b1 missing H2 branch mutation 1438A
HM107111 FTDNA Haplogroup H2a2b1 26-APR-2010
A263G 309.1C 315.1C C3388A A8860G A15326G A16235G C16291T A16293G C16400T

Comment by Peiternella Suzzanna Hymen on May 10, 2010 at 7:51pm

cheers Maria and yes I realise about papers can take time. However my partner talks about 2004 being the last paper he has seen on his particular Haplogroup. I look forward to the new paper.

Comment by Maria on May 10, 2010 at 7:35pm

Not to disappoint you, but papers (particularly good papers) take a long time. First you do the actual research, then you write, someone reviews it, then its sent to the journal where it is peer reviewed, it usually comes back with comments, you rewrite it with the needed changes, you send it back and with luck it gets published. If it's not accepted, you start all over again.
Having said that, there should be something more than what we have for the H group. Last week I found an interesting and recent paper on this group. I'll forward the link tomorrow as I have it at work.

Comment by Peiternella Suzzanna Hymen on May 10, 2010 at 7:23pm

Also Mardon, My partner foams at the mouth over lack of up to date papers being written and how the public, who are paying for the sequencing to be done so they can follow genealogy through Phylogenetic study, are being left in the dark and the academics are using this data but not hurry to publish or actually give some data that is actually relevant to genealogy study ,as such.
I trust his judgement on reading sequences more than Phylotree and 'our dragging in the sand' FTDNA. We do not get much info or what is really happening in our projects He is in a private Haplogroup project where they share photos, family news, personal interests and they always seem to be online discussing dna or just random stuff -just like a club -his group at FTDNA, where he is co admin there, are not very active but not as pitiful as our H group.!!!
Hope I have made sense. in both emails. I am home bored and lack focus LOL got my leg in plaster and I am not good at sitting idle. I was so trained for a marathon .Was feeling so fit and ready.... sob sob.
If you like I can email you a sample H3 data base he made for me just so I could look at what data there was around. It is old now and not to current.
excuse spelling and grammer please LOL. Proof reading I should do obviously!!!

Comment by Peiternella Suzzanna Hymen on May 10, 2010 at 7:03pm

AHHH crap!, I put a 1 on the end of H6a1a. Actually this sequence is at genbank as a H6a1. This is quite new as I saw it on Ian Logans reports to Genealogy DNA newsletter
HM124476 FTDNA Haplogroup H6a1 26-APR-2010
T195C T239C A263G 315.1C A750G A1438G G3915A A4727G A4769G A8860G
G9380A T10237C T11204C T11253C A15326G T16362C A16482G.
Now my partner treats the back mutations as:
if they have all the mutations that are in a particular Haplogroup sub branch but are missing that sub branch defining code
ie I have an H3 that shares nearly all the mutations with Hf but is missing 93G and they also share a unique private mutation, so he has classed it among the HF but still named it H3 as he says the phylotree changes as new data comes in. So far I have not come across a major sub branch mutation back-mutation but my partner has had a couple and he showed me their position on his data base. He said you can see the pattern of the mutations and that they are from that particular branch. When they are laid out you see patterns. Our H mutations on Phylotree are a mess-would you not agree?
This was a FTDNA sequence not 23andme.

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