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Comment by Ruth on July 19, 2009 at 5:00pm

Ellen,
I remembered when I first received my husband's results. I was so excited for him and went over to him, he was sleeping at the time, and I kissed him and said "My little Taino".
But the more I read about haplogroup C1b the more I think that that particular haplogroup might not be of Taino descendanst but of some South American tribe that migrated to Puerto Rico from South America.
I found an interesting research paper. One of the people that were tested (full sequence) match my husband's full sequence results. They only have a difference of two mutations. My husband has one mutation that the Canary person does not have and the Canary person has one mutation that my husband does not have.
I was amazed when I found those results from a person from, I'm assuming the Canary Islands.
Then the big question came, which was first the chicken or the egg? Meaning, how did someone with my husband's mtdna result show up in the Canary Islands? I ask myself, was this person ancestors all born there and then arrived from the Canary Island to Puerto Rico? Or were they taken there by the Spaniards long ago?

Mitochondrial Population Genomics Supports a Single Pre-Clovis Origin with a Coastal Route for the Peopling of the Americas
Nelson J.R. Fagundes,1,2,7 Ricardo Kanitz,1,7 Roberta Eckert,1 Ana C.S. Valls,1 Mauricio R. Bogo,1 Francisco M. Salzano,2 David Glenn Smith,3 Wilson A. Silva Jr.,4 Marco A. Zago,4
Andrea K. Ribeiro-dos-Santos,5 Sidney E.B. Santos,5 Maria Luiza Petzl-Erler,6 and Sandro L. Bonatto1,*

GenBank Accession Number
C1 haplotype C AF382009 Canary 42
The person from the Canary Island accession number from GenBank that matches my husband's is above.

Comment by Ruth on July 19, 2009 at 12:44pm

Oh that is frustrating when they don't answer your emails. I had that problem with someone who matches my paternal line with Ancestry.com. He is of the Rodriguez surname and the only one that matches my paternal exact markers. I did noticed that he has not logged in since 2008, I have no exact matches with FTDNA, but those who do match with the 12 markers did respond when I emailed them.
Did you post your results to mito search? If you did, edit it to haplogroup C1b2a, that is where you will find my husband and he will be a match to you.
Sometimes the emails goes into their spam folder and they just deleted all spam.
Maybe I should give it another try with the Ancestry paternal match.

Comment by Ellen Fernandez-Sacco, Ph.D. on July 19, 2009 at 12:30pm

Ruth,
I hope we can find a connection. I find the mtDNA pretty frustrating overall. I have written notes to the 10+ people with exact matches only to find they never answered my email.
oy!

Comment by Ellen Fernandez-Sacco, Ph.D. on July 19, 2009 at 12:29pm

Barb,
I tried checking the census, but nothing turned up. I wonder if you should just go through the indexes of the Registro Civil for Lares at the LDS. Start with the birth records for your grandfather's children and work backwards. You may glean more from records in different years, and they may say one grandparent or parent is dead, which will then give you a starting point of where to look for the Acta de defuncion.
As for the church, did you ask them to transcribe the whole entry? One needs to ask otherwise they just send a very brief form with some names and a date filled in. Also, you may find that Juana Manuela did not make it to adulthood, or was placed with family in another bordering municipality. For instance folks in Barrio Plata Moca often registered marriages and births in Moca or San Sebastian-- and San Sebastian was often a lot closer to go to file paperwork.
Let me know how it goes,
Ellen

Comment by Ruth on July 19, 2009 at 12:04pm

Dear Ellen,
I've been thinking of you all week. I hope that one day you and my husband will find the common ancestor that connects the two of you through your mtdna.

:)

Comment by Barbara Butler on July 18, 2009 at 9:57am

My grandfather Manual Ambrosio RAMOS was born December 1882 in Lares, Puerto Rico. His parents were Salmon RAMOS and Genera MEDINA.
I have found the church in Lares and have gotten the baptism information but they
had nothing further on his parents or sister Juana Manuela Ramos.

Any help will be much appreciated.
Barb

Comment by Ruth on July 17, 2009 at 9:53am

Yes, they do seem to have loads of resources. I know what you mean about the Puerto Rican genealogy. I tried doing a surname search yesterday.....and found none with the surnames I was searching.

Comment by Ellen Fernandez-Sacco, Ph.D. on July 17, 2009 at 9:39am

Overall, there's a wonderful assortment of resources related to organizations and computing, and wanted to be sure there was at least one place (the more the merrier) for Puerto Rican genealogy!

Comment by Ruth on July 17, 2009 at 7:26am

Hi Ellen,
So how do you find the site so far?
Ruth

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