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Comment by Richard Dahlqvist on September 21, 2009 at 11:45am

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Lynn!

Yeah, I think the analysis is believable as well.
I just wish the U.S government had been just as good as the Swedish in regards of keeping track of their citizens. ;)

Comment by Lynn Anderson on September 21, 2009 at 10:56am

Lesson 2 has been posted to Learning Swedish discussion.

Comment by Sue Pearson Greichunos on September 21, 2009 at 2:17am

Lynn, Thank you. Will pass it along to interested party. Have told them of Genwise.com. To Richard, I don't know about the Artur Fick in NY 1930 Census. Yes, Lynn is right to give it a deeper analysis, but I'd keep looking.... There's got to be an explanation other than a broad misrepresentation of an individual's birth parents' nativity? Surely these fact-gatherers were a bit more conscientious than that! (I have seen some poor census records and some very precise records.) How can both brothers just vanish by the 1930 Census, though? Richard, did you get the memo I sent via genealogywise.com? Any other names there that ring a bell to pursue for more information about the Fick Brothers? Y'know I also thought (admittedly an "out there" notion) that they became disenchanted with the USA -- arriving at a time just before we plunged into the Great Depression -- and they decided to try elsewhere for their fortune. Crazy notion?

Comment by Lynn Anderson on September 20, 2009 at 8:39pm

Richard,
Yes, I saw the Russian Jew notes. I think the match is close enough to check further. Your analysis of the census taker is believable. Although for a Swede it looks like a stretch.

Comment by Lynn Anderson on September 20, 2009 at 8:36pm

Sue,
For Hilda, best would be to get a birth certificate. It may give some info about Peter and Amelia as they often do. Have you exhausted Ancestry.com data? Census for 1900 and 1910? Has someone out there done New York City reaearch? Sounds like a challenge.

For Zetterberg and Zetterström hopefully the less common names will help. Note that the city of Gävle has several parish churches. And do you know if it was Gävle for sure? Someone could say their grandparents were from Gävle and what they really mean was a little village near Gävle. Maybe a name search will find those names (try GenLine?). As always, look for a household examination first [HFL]. That is the once-a-year Swedish church census.
FYI Gävle is in Gävleborgs län and the residence city (=county seat). It is up the coast from Stockholm maybe 200 km in the bottom of Norrland (one of the three general regions of Sweden). Lots of trees.

Comment by Richard Dahlqvist on September 20, 2009 at 6:09pm

Sue!

Yeah, I'm still wondering the fact that "my" Artur Fick was stated as a russian and jewish in the census. Very weird.
Ít might have been that the person taking the census just assumed that everybody in that houshold were russian and jewish and that he didn't bother checking.

Comment by Sue Pearson Greichunos on September 20, 2009 at 11:34am

A writer asks:

"My great-great-great-grandfather and grandmother: Per-Gustaf Zetterberg born 1844 in Gävle, Sweden Married January 22 1869 to Carolina Zetterström born 1845 in Säter
Child: Per Teodor Zetterberg born Oct 27 1869 in Gävle; died October 17, 1951 in Sweden Married to Emma Kristina Andersson born 1867; died 1909
Child: Fabian Zetterberg born. April 04, 1893, Sweden d. August 22, 1972, Uniondale, Nassau, New York. Immigrated to USA Feb 22 1911 from Gothenburg to Waterbury, CT. He married Hilda Johnson June 04, 1917, daughter of Peter Johnson and Amelia Anderson. She was born December 16, 1895 in Brooklyn, Manhattan, NY, and died October 05, 1991. Fabian Zetterberg and Hilda Johnson are my great-grandparents.

I would love to find Hilda’s grandparent’s information and more on her father Peter Johnson. I would also like to go beyond Per-Gustaf Zetterberg if possible. I totally understand that this is time consuming. I would appreciate anything you find."
Any help out there?

Comment by Sue Pearson Greichunos on September 19, 2009 at 12:44pm

Richard ~
Not to step into the middle of this dialog between you and Lynn about the Fick brothers (but it looks like that is exactly what I am about to do), when I was looking in the 1930 Census record for the Fick brothers in Cook County, IL, I noticed there were many families with the name Fick, and most indicated Germany for their parental nativitiy. Being your Fick ancestors' parentage was Sweden, I didn't waste further time studying the names. Still looking.

Comment by Richard Dahlqvist on September 19, 2009 at 10:59am

Lynn!

Comments on your comments about my comments. ;)

Just thought I would ask. A similar name arrived in USA May 1902 but was from Västranorrlands län.
Ok, Not a very common name but not my targets.

We can only assume. The census taker may have Americanized the names. But I will guess the family made the change since the 1920 census is the same names.
Probably, some of their original names are rather to say in "English".

Probably the latter but we dont know from the evidence. Census takers only count people AT THE SITE when they visited the household. For example... If she was still resident there but off to college, she would not be counted at the house.
So the most logical assumption is that she is married by this time. A working class immigrated family in 1920 probably wouldn't have had the possibility to go to college.

Indexing of the census are far from perfect. And USA is abig place.
Big is a good term to use. But still not bad that some many are indexed.

People like to list lots of relations in obits but no one says you need to spend the money for an obit. And in a big city who might read it. I did an obit for my father but I am a genealogist and wanted to leave a record. With computers they are getting a lot easier to search.
Ok, but you still think that I should try and find the obits? And I do understand about your decision about your fathers obit.

Not finding more on the Fick brothers was a disapointment. It is such an unusual name. May be they thought so too and changed it. My search was by no means exhaustive. It was just what I could do in a visit to the library.
It is a rather unusal name. I think it is a german name from the start but I have no evidence so far.
In the censusimage you mailed me about Artur Fick it says he is Russian and Jewish. That is the only thing that worries me about that find.

But I still thank you for your help. It is a great thing that we can help each other out.

Comment by Richard Dahlqvist on September 19, 2009 at 10:44am

Sue!

Thank you for your help with the different papers in which I might find the obits for people living in Chicago.

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