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Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 22, 2009 at 9:29pm

Pam,
I checked on the births of Herman and Martha Krause that were living with the Kaufmanns and they were the children of Albert Krause and Wilhelmine Rubslow or Butzlaff (different name on both records). Your Marie had a sister Babinia living with her in Maryland in 1900 who was born Aug. 1882. That is only 6 months after Martha was born.

I realize that Ulbicka's name is listed as Von Schmalensee on Marie's death certificate but that info is only as good as the person who gave it. Seeing as she had only been married to her second husband for a few years, he may not have known her mother's name. As far as the IGI records on FamilySearch, I may be mistaken but I believe that is only info that somebody contributed, not necessarily off of a certificate. Unless you have seen the certificate, it might be worth trying to get a copy of it. My own GrGrGrandmother was always listed as Hermann. Then I seen on her son's death cert. that her maiden name was Grunske. I figured somebody made a mistake but now that I check more into it, I believe that she may have been married to a Hermann fella before my grgrgrandpa. I have learned in genealogy to never say never just because it doesn't match exactly, LOL.

I think the Koeller connection is just to coincidental to blow off but it is your family. I see there is somebody on RAOGK from Washington Co. that does courthouse records. Why not have them look the Krause/Koeller record up for you?

Oh and there was a Mathias Kraus who died in Milwaukee Co. Dec 26 1904 . That may be your guy. Maybe his wife Anna remarried before the 1910 census.

Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 22, 2009 at 8:19pm

Pam,
I am not sure about that Anna Lemke marriage. I do not feel that it is the right one but I guess you never know.

The more I look into the Washington County couple, the more things seem to be clicking. I will try to explain. On Sept. 20, 1861 in Washington County Wisconsin, there was a Julius Krause who married a Hermina Ulricka Koeller. The name Ulricka is awefully close to Ulbricka. Later on while looking at the 1900 census again, with your Ricka Krause, I noticed two doors down there was a family of Koellers. They were living right next door to that William Krause born 1864 in Illinois.

I was able to find this Koeller family in the censuses and found them in 1860 living in Jackson, Washington county WI. By 1870 they were living in Ward 2 Milwaukee. I did a search for Julius Krause in Washington Co. and he turned up in Jackson also. There were three Koellers who married in Washington County between 1861 and 1865 and all three families ended up in 2nd ward Milwaukee. I figure they must be siblings. They were all living in Jackson, Washington Co. in 1860. I can't find Ricke though. This just seems like too huge of a coincidence to me. I am thinking at this point that Ricke's parents were John Koeller and Wilhelmine (Braun?)

Julius Krause was living in Jackson already in 1850 and I found him and his family in an 1846 NY passenger list for the Enterprise.

Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 22, 2009 at 2:56pm

Pam,
I can't shake the feeling that the couple that got married in Washington County in 1861 could be your family. I was trying to find them and came across this in the 1870 census. Maybe just coincidence. In Chicago was a John Krause born about 1840 in Prussia, with wife Marie born about 1845 in Prussia. They had three children: William, born about 1864 in WI, Frank born about 1867 in WI and Mary born Jan. 1870 in Illinois. The ages match for William and Ricke Krause from the 1900 Milwaukee census and your Marie was born in Jan. 1870 according to the 1900 census. I can't find the family in 1880 though.

Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 21, 2009 at 9:42am

Oh, I forgot to mention, that Fannie Lestina that was a sister-in-law on the 1900 census, her name was Frances Lestina and she was born in Manitowoc County. I found Anna Lestina (wife of Mat Krause) in 1880 Manitowoc County. I would guess she married in either Milwaukee or Manitowac Counties.

Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 21, 2009 at 9:40am

Pam,
I don't know what to say, I can't find them either. I am thinking either they went by different names, as was often the case with the Germans, or they all moved to New York shortly after 1900. I'm not sure where you got the names Julius and Ulbricka from but if it was off a certificate, they could be wrong. I'm just trying to make heads or tails out of this, not saying you are mistaken. I think if I were you I would try to get somebody to look up that marriage of Robert Kissinger and Marie Krause and see who she listed as her parents.

Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 20, 2009 at 4:43pm

Pam,
According to a tree I found on Ancestry, Robert Kissinger was living with his step-father in Troy, Rensselaer, NY in both 1910 and 1920. The 1910 census has him listed as Robert A. In 1920 His step-father was remarried.

In the 1900 census, there was a William Krause born 1864 in Illinois, living next door to your Krause family. I am guessing it was one of Julius and Ricka's children. It said she had 7 with 5 still living. The head of houshold of your family looks like it says Mat F.

Comment by Caro Nally on July 20, 2009 at 3:49pm

Pam:
Is it possible they had other children that died at birth or shortly thereafter? Perhaps the child born 10 years later just happened to be the first child to survive. Or maybe they were separated for some reason, like if one of them had a sick family member and stayed with that person for a while, or his job required him to leave for a little while.
It certainly would be odd that they would be married for ten years before having a child, unless it was for some reason as listed above. Hmm

Comment by Bobbi Huiting on July 20, 2009 at 2:27pm

Hi Pam,
I was doing a little searching and I found a marriage for Marie Krause and Robert Kissenger. Kissinger, Robt Marriage Jun 11 1888 Milwaukee , Krause, Maria Marriage Jun 11 1888 Milwaukee

I also found a death record for a Robert. M. Kissinger, but the 1892 death date does not match with your Grandfather being born in 1898. Kissinger, Robert M Death Nov 20 1892 Milwaukee

I found that Marie Kissinger in 1900 Baltimore and it says she didn't have any kids and her parents were born in Illinois. Are you sure this is the same Maria? I am still searching for more census with the Milwaukee 1900 family but am also coming up empty.

Comment by Caro Nally on July 19, 2009 at 6:30pm

Tracy, are you researching the Greene family? I am researching a line of the Greene family form Wisconsin. They are in Ashland and Milwaukee. Do those places match anything for you?

Comment by Tracy Baer on July 19, 2009 at 5:34pm

The First Surname is Brown.Glen, Irvin and Green(e) K. They are mostly located near Mondovi. I cannot seem to find Greene's death Cert or cemetery. He was married to Ann (Lyons). I am also trying to find John Quinn in Sheboygan WI. He was living near or with daughter Mary E Mason and husband Burt. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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