Carolyn and Dichotomy2u,
Could you post more details about those you are searching for? It is really hard to offer help with only names to work with.

Flora Alexander Crowder was a known citizen of The Cherokee tribe. Her kids with Thomas Caprock Crowder were Choctaw and on the Dawes roll.

Oh, and a great place to search the Rolls is Access Genealogy. Dawes Roll is online.

Thanks and here is what I have:
Agnes May Heady
B: 10 AUG 1905 Indian territory, near Lawton, Comanche Co., OK
D: 24 FEB 1972 Mabank, Henderson Co, Texas

Father :William B Heady 1877 - 1908
Mother: Nancy Jane Armstrong 1879 - 1944

The Trail of Tears happened about 1839, right? Was there a census for all of the Indian people who were removed to OK for the year 1840? I have not found an 1840 census for either Indian Territory or OK.

My mother's family, Amos Morey and Luna Jane (White) Jackson moved to Waukomis, Okla in 1907 from Illinois. Look at my profile for photos of their daughters who moved with them - Ethel Pauline Jackson HIll and Luna May Jackson Atherton. I have many, many photos of them and their friends in Oklahoma. My mother and her siblings were born in Waukomis. They later moved to Garber. My Uncle, Francis Hill never left Oklahoma, my mother and her sister moved with their parents to Niwot, Colorado in the 1930's. I hope to write a book soon on my mother's lineage - it goes back to Salem Mass where one of her many great grandmothers was hung for being a witch. Ok, enough for now, I will keep loading up photos.

Ginger, The answer to your question is no. There are no census for all of the Indians removed to Oklahoma for the year 1840. One of the most important things to remember in doing Oklahoma census research is that Oklahoma did not become a state until 1907. Before that, the state was divided roughly in half, the eastern side as Indian Territory, the western side as Oklahoma Territory. Oklahoma Territory and Indian Territory did not have the decennial census that the states had until 1900. There was an 1890 Oklahoma Territory census but not one for Indian Territory.

Perhaps you could be more specific as to the tribe and place you are interested in and we could help you to see what records might be available to help you.

Sue/Debra - To get the land entry case file from NARA I would first need the information from tract book at the land office that the entry was made, correct? Do you happen to know which office this might be?

Sheri in 1893 the land office closest to what became Kay County was Perry. The office opened in 1893. I can give you the boundary descriptions for Kay County but if you go to the Oklahoma Historical Society's website there is some help there. http://www.okhistory.org/research/library/land.html The Federal Land Tract Books are on microfilm and OHS has indexed them.

Welcome new members! We've now gone over the 50 mark so with this many members we should be having some lively discussions going on! Please post your favorite resources in the discussion "My Most Useful Oklahoma & Indian Territory Resources" and you comments in "What We Would Like This Group To Be". This group is to help YOU with your research but it also needs for you to share what you know with others. Please don't just lurk here, join in!!

Any suggestions for pre-statehood school census records for the smaller schools? I am interested in the Chickasaw Nation area.

Sherry, I wish I had some answers for you. Are you looking for Native American schools or white schools?

Sue,

I have been told the Dawe's Commission folks recorded school census type information as part of their data gathering. From that I was assuming that this would include Indian children attending non-Indian schools.

Sherry, I'm not sure where you got this information. Prior to statehood Indian Territory did not have schools for whites. The Dawes Commission did set aside land for schools during the allotment process.

I don't know about the Dawe's Commission recording school cenus butI do know several counties died school census in theearly days.

Once the lands were open for white settlement, one of the first things the settlers did was start a school. Most, if not all of the schools were established before statehood which.

Timeline of the land being settled by land runs, lotteries, allotments and seald bids
On April 22, 1889, the Unassigned Lands, a 2,000,000 acre tract of land in the center of Indian Territory, were opened by Run. Over 50,000 settlers rushed to claim about 10,000 claims of 160 acres each. Nearly 1,000 Blacks, mostly from the South, participated in the run. Many obtained homesteads, with most settling east of Guthrie. Langston became an all Black town.

On Sept. 22, 1891, part of the state, mostly in central Oklahoma, was opened for land run and allotments. This was the Iowa, Potawatomie-Shawnee, Tonkawa, and Sac-Fox lands. This allowed for settlement of the surplus lands of these areas.

In 1892, Pawnee lands were opened by allotment.

April 19, 1892, Cheyenne and Arapaho lands opened by Run. About 25,000 people raced for homesteads in the surplus lands of the Cheyenne and Arapaho tribes.

The Cherokee Outlet opened by Run on Sept. 16, 1893. Over 100,000 folks made the run, being the largest in history. This is the run depicted in the movies and what most people think of when "Oklahoma Land Runs" are mentioned. This run did not include the area in Kansas known as the "Cherokee Strip".

Kickapoo lands opened by Run May 23, 1895.

Wichita-Caddo and Comanche-Kiowa-Apache surplus lands by Lottery June 9 to August 6, 1901, with about 165,000 potential homesteaders registered. A drawing was held for 15,000 homesteads. Some of the Kiowa-Comanche land were not available for settlement. These included 56,000 acres for Fort Sill Military Reservation, 58,000 acres for the Wichita Mountain Forest Reserve, 480,000 acres for the Big Pasture reserve (reserved as a grazing tract for the Kiowas and Comanches).

Ponca, Kaw and Oto-Missouri reservations by Allotment in 1904. Federal Officials sold 51,000 acres of surpluss lands after the allotments were made.

In 1906, Osage Reservation Lands opened by Allotment.

Big Pasture Lands opened by auction with sealed bids in December 1906

The organic act was passe and became a law May 2, giving the land an organized form of territorial government. Territorial government established - capital at Guthrie. The population of the Indian Territory as reported by the federal census was 179,321, of which number 50,616 were Indians.

My grandmother was born in Stringtown, Choctaw Nation, IT, in 1875. Are there records for that far back?

My family is from Spiro and Leflore county. We also have some in Farris in Atoka. We are looking for Whittikers, Baileys, Burchfeilds, Stiles

A big Oklahoma welcome to all of you new members! Please be sure to post questions and comments and add your thoughts to the discussions as well.

When asking for help be sure to give enough information....the who, what , when, and where will help you get an answer faster!

Hello! o si yo (I just started learning Cherokee.) My Choctaw Grandfather, James Harvey COCHNAUER, attended an Indian School, as did my Cherokee biological father, Woodrow Wilson ELDRIDGE. I was told that I have three ELdridge half-brothers, but they may not know about me, or want to be in contact. I would be happy to find any information for either side of my Native American family. Thank you!

OK! I dont even know where to start. However, my son's grandmother has so wanted to show the indian line in her family. Please someone direct me in the correct direction of getting started, where, how, what?

Robin first you get all the information from your son's grandmother that you can. her parents siblings where she grew up etc. then start online if you can or go to the nearest libary and look up on census or for indians the dawles list

Hello everyone! My name is Mary Shawnee and I am researching my husband's side of the family, George and Nancy Washington. George (aka Neetamooqua) died in 1892 on the family homestead near Fairland, Oklahoma, and is buried in the Washington Family Cemetery. I have photos of this cemetery if anyone is interested. His daughter Julia married John Charles Shawnee. After his death in 1881, she married William Hall. Julia died in 1942 in Ramona, Oklahoma. I have learned from the Indian Pioneer Papers that George Washington owned and operated a hotel near Fort Leavenworth "My father’s hotel was where the hack started from on it’s trip to Fort Gibson." (from the Cyrus Washington interview, Indian Pioneer Papers). I would love any information anyone might have on this hotel-tavern. This would have been mid 1840's -1850's. When George Washington accompanied Cl. Fremont on his 1853 expedition, Nancy Washington ran the hotel and made enough money to add a second floor. Julia (Washington) Hall's Indian Pioneer Papers interview says the hotel was later used for the County Poor House. I've googled til my google finger is raw, but can't find anything concrete on this building. Any ideas?

Hi, my name is Jeanne Holcomb. I'm researching the Hawkins Family Name. My great great grandfather was Frank Hawkins. He came from Macon, Georgia. My great great grandmother is Lucinda Mariah Henderson Hawkins. She was born in Texas. I don't know where they got married, but I was told it was 1883. They had three children. The second, Eva Hawkins, one was born in Indian Territory in Sept. 1889. She was married to an unknown Barrett. I have been looking, but apparently the wrong places, where she was born at. There must be a record somewhere. Can anyone help. I have more information if anyone needs it.
Thanks,
Jeanne

jeanne
there is a lucinda m henderson in 1870 pope arkansas who was born in texas, 1880 she is in still in pope ark. a leu henderson married a F, A, Hawkins in scott ark. dont know if that is who your looking for but could be

jeanne
the marrage date is march 22 1883

Looking to narrow down the death date of an ancestor. His name was John B. Winburn b. circa 1821 prob. Pulaski Co., GA. He was last found on the 1890 Indian Territory (Oklahoma) census for Chickasaw Lands. Died before 1900. His last place of residence before that was Bosque Co., TX. He was also an ordained part-time Baptist minister, but his main occupation was always listed as farmer.Looking for sources like the nearest newspaper name & town, nearest record place, etc., and any other suggestions since I am not familiar with this area in Oklahoma. Thanks!

Hello- I am seeking death record information/Burial,Obit. for my gg-grandmother Charlotte Rebecca McDaniel from whom died 05,August 1900 Fishertown,Oklahoma- and is buried according to strong opinion in the Lenna Cemetary along with her son Merritt Lester McDaniel- Her Husband was Henry Albert McDaniel. I am not sure of what church they belonged too or anything of that nature- How where deaths handled in this timeperiod? did they record them,funeral records etc

Looking for additional information on Joseph LEONARD (1837-1925) of Anadarko m. Na-nia ("Minnie") possibly a daughter of George Washington (Neetamooqua). Na-nia died in childbirth, but daughter Margaret survived and married John Downing. Would like to find Downing descendants and/or Joseph's burial site. He is well represented in Caddo & Witchita census reports.

Can anyone help? I have been at a brick wall for years now. My husbands family, the Timms. I find his great grandfather Charles Birt Timms/Tims (I have seen it spelled both ways) in the Choctaw Nation in 1910 and 1920 and in Texas in 1930, but nothing before. He was born 3-24-1879, married Maudie Alemeda Shores 11-8-1907 in DeQueens AR, died 11-7-1936.

In the Choctaw Nation I show him to be in Eagle Town (McCurtain Co.) I also find a Samuel and Ella Timms in the same area but can not connect the two yet.

Hello Everyone! I am researching my great grandparents, Browns, who are supposedly buried in Rush Springs.

Several Brown's listed in the Grady County Cemeteries, some in Rush Springs Cemetery. http://www.okcemeteries.net/grady/grady.htm

Donna, thank you so much. That was exactly what I was looking for. You're a doll! :-)

you are very welcome Cari.

Hello, my name is Lynette Null Wilson. I am researching my fathers Family. He grew up in Oilton OK. His name is Monty Null born 1936. His parents were Arthur Null (1888-1961) and Russia Null (1892-1970). His great paternal grandparents were William Null (1865-1905) and Charlotte Mayo (1862-1908). His maternal grandparents were Richard Sanders (1848-1920) and Susan E. Hammond (1854-1937). The real mystery here is Charlotte Mayo. Some records have her as "Mayo" others a "Ways". I am boxes of photos and documents (taxes, receipts, letters). I just started the family tree on Ancestory. Anyone with knowledge or guidance on Oilton, Creek County or any of the folks mentions above please contact me. Also I know Charlotte Ways/Mayo was from Boggy Depot. I found the Boggy Depot Burial Site and some "Mayos" listed but no Charlotte. Additionally my family is listed many times on the Choctaw census so I am reading on that as well. This family tree stuff can be overwhelming. Thank you for any assistance.

I am still searching for Eldridge family members. Has anyone seen this name besides those on the Cherokee Indian roll?

My cousins and I are researching our grand parents and know they were born in Indian Territory (Oklahoma) My grandmas last name was Eslick (Earlie Electa) and her parents were Luela Walker and S.W. Eslick (I have their marriage certificate from Navarro county Texas) and our Grand father Daniel Amos Garrett.ANY help would be grateful because we are new at this!

Lynette,
I talked the other night with some cousins who live in Oilton. I asked about Monty Null. They told me that he and his two brothers William and Gordon (Gordon was the oldest, followed by William) are buried in the Oilton Cemetery. If you go to city hall they have a map of wher every one is buried there.
They think that both his father and mother are buried there also.
They also told me that some maybe your Mayo could be buried at the Silver Creek cemetery I forget the name of it, but maybe you could find it on a map from the USGS.
hope this helps.

Charles

Does anyone have any info on Hillside Indian Mission orphanage near Skiatook?

I have a question for you smart people. Turn of the century marriages, My Great Grandfather and Grandmother were married in 1901 in Sapulpa. Their license was at the District Court Clerk in Muskogee. Exactly what happened back then, did preachers marry people and perodically sent the info into the Court or did they have to travel the 50 miles to Muskogee to get married? That would have been a long wagon ride.

Several possibilities. If there was not a local minister, people waited for the traveling preacher (also called circut preachers) to come to their area to marry them. The preacher would then record the marriage in the next county court house he came to.

Have to consider the history of the counties. Before statehood, the counties were different. The large counties were divided into smaller counties & depending on the area, the records probably stayed with the original county court house. If you are interested in early day map of the area, go to http://www.livgenmi.com/1895/OK/County/

Or they might have taken the train. Quite a few times, couples would take the train, example: in the early days, Alva was part of Woodward County. Couples from Woodward would take the train to Alva to get married. Some considered it their honeymoon trip or their elopement.

Thank you very much!

Since there was no birth certificates before statehood, how does one prove a birth?

Many applied for delayed birth certificates, which would be on file. Those would probably have been several years after the fact. My father was born in 1917 and applied for a delayed one in the 1940's so he could enter the military during WW II. If they lived to collect Social Security, they would have had to received a delayed certificate.

Census records, newspaper announcements at time of birth are 2 sources.

Great Great Grandfather came n in the land run in 1893 when they opened the Cherokee Strip. Is there any records for the homestead he applied for?

I am researching descendants of Austin Perry, Choctaw freedmen from Atoka, Oklahoma.

Looking for info on the widow Jane Reynolds listed in the 1900 census Indian Territory.  She was b in TN ca 1838/1839 and d sometime after 21 June 1906 and befpre 1910 census.  Mr Reynolds was at least her 3rd husband.  Info needed re marriages, date of death, full names of husbands, anything.  Thanks. 

Brenda

Are there any posts for 2011?