I have Dutch lines from the Hudson Valley NY area that intermarried with many of the French Huguenots that settled New Paltz, NY. There were 12 Huguenot families there that made the land purchase of the Esopus indians. I believe they included Freer, Deyo, Crispell, Bevier, Elting, DuBois, Hasbrouck, Gerow (Geraud), and LeFever. Magny, Low, Schoonmaker, VanNooy and many other families figured into the history there too. My Terwilliger (Dutch) ancestor married a Freer in New Paltz.
Partly because of my ancestral lineage which includes Huguenots and also because I'm an amateur historian, I'm currently researching into the Huguenots who settled in Ireland, England, and Scotland before immigrating to the "New World" colonies. I find it fascinating that the first wave of immigration of Huguenots began as early as 1572, with a massive wave around the 1680s. It's estimated that a quarter of a million alone left France in a 2-3 year period, with some 10,000 going to Ireland and a smaller group to Scotland. It's quite a job tracking these families' treks before and after they came to the American colonies.
My Huguenot surnames are from the Henrico settlement in Virginia: SALLEE, GIVAUDAN/JIVIDEN, PERRAULT/PERROW/PERRO, CHASTAIN, MARTIN
I also have Huguenots in New Amsterdam after several generations in the Netherlands. My dad is primarily researching that line: RAPALJE (RAPALIETTE), COZINE, DES MARETS/DEMAREST, TRICAULT/TRICO
My ancestors were Beasors (spelling varies eg Bezer, Beza). I believe that the origin of this name is French and may be Huguenot. I have traced them back to London (Shadwell) and there maybe a Norwich connection.
The following is a link to an information leaflet in the London Metropolitan Archives which may be of some interest to people.
My Huguenot ancestor is Jinny Sallee, daughter of John, who married William P. Jackson in early Jessamine County, Kentucky. I would like to find John's parents.
I've not been able to trace back to France, although my great maternal uncle researched this, but without stating any detailed sources, and his research is a bit questionable in some areas. He claims, and I think rightly so, that his family came from around Lyon originally. Their German name was Masseling, and the Dutch version was Masselink. My father's side had no permanent surname until 1811. But both sides are strong Calvinists from way back, indicating a Huguenot connection. I've traced my paternal side to around 1730, and my maternal side with a permanent surname (German/Dutch) to 1660. I suspect they arrived in Germany and the Netherlands in the mid1600s.
My question is this: How does one trace back from Germany and the Netherlands (two prime Huguenot refuges) to France?
I am wondering more about my French Huguenot connections. I still am not completely sure that this is my ancestor, but for now this is what I have. He is Jacques Lacaze, arrived in Virginia in 1701, aboard the Nassau. His name was anglicized to be James Casse/James Keesee. I did find where he was possibly born in Nare, Guienne. Any one else researching James I'd be glad to hear from you. I am also interested in the towns and regions that the Huguenots came from. I understand that many were in England/Ireland many years before they arrived in America. I have no idea if James had lived anywhere else other than France, and am a little overwhelmed trying to figure out how to research that.
My Huguenot family is the Praa/Praat/Prat family, beginning with Pierre who married Marie Phillipe in 1642 in Leiden, Holland. They were from Dieppe, France. It looks like there are many Huguenot societies, libraries, etc., but I don't know where to start in researching them back further to France. For those whose Huguenot families went to the Netherlands, I've found this site helpful:
Digitale Stamboom searches seven Archives in the Netherlands in one search portal.
On the van Salee I posted. This link does not mention that others believe Van Salee's father was a Frenchman who fled France to Holland and joined the Dutch Navy. He left a wife and children in Holland, became a pirate off north Africa, and had wives and children there. I research Sallee, of Manakintown, VA, but he appears not to have immigrated at the same time as the others.
Rosemary J Taylor,
I am very interested in your van Salee/Sallee research. I tried looking at the geocities website but it is no longer there.
You may be interested in similar storie in Sol and Soule groups which I hope you join.
I have been researching van Soldt/Solt/Sold family for a short while. The variants that the family has been recorded under are Vansold, Vansolt, Vansoldt, Vansalt, van Salt, de Solt, du Solt, de Soule, van Soule, van Soult, Vansoulte, Sold, Vold, de Sol, van Solle
I was researching Abraham van Soldt who came to Virginia colony in 1630's from London, had a daughter Rose who married a Joseph Mason.
Page 48 of unknown Codex sold at auction in England several years ago and broken with each page sold separetly. The back of page 47 (of at least 110 in this volume) would have the genealogical information of this family. I have never seen 47. I have been able to confirm genealogies on several of these pages 1500-1700's. Watermarks on paper prove 200+ years old and high quality, however due to technique I think this was custom copy of unknown works in late 1800"s. I am not sure if I did this one yet, if I did it is Ancestry.com. If you need me to do it, it will take me a day to complete.
Father side Coswaren married Kessel, the father of Coswaren married Gulpen, Father of Kessel married Dela Brique.
Motherside Ravesalot married Haestrecht, father of Ravesalot married Gent, father Haestrecht married Malsen
The Central Bureau of Genealogie in The Hague, Netherlands is the dutch authority for collecting and preserving genealogies and heraldry. The website is CBG.nl A very good source of Huguenot information, hopefully you can read dutch which I cannot.
The following "de la Bricque" photo can be obtained over the internet for about 7 euros.
De la Bricque
Wapen: in groen drie zilveren kraanvogels.
Wapenvoerder: De la Bricque
Een van de acht kwartierwapens van het wapen van Pieter Corswarem.
Bron 1:
CBG, GHS 50A34, J.M. de Lange. Wapenboeck, familiewapens, rouwborden en grafschriften, ca. 1717, blz. 1756, 1758.
Afbeelding: Bricque01
Here the picture is of a green shield. It could be a faded blue and appear green. Green could be incorrect, or Blue could be incorrect.
We now have a probable source for page I posted being a Family Arms book by J M Lange made around 1717. The page displays the family genealogy of Pieter Corswaren.
Also at the CBG is the famous MUSCHART heraldry collection which is on microfilm. A very rich source of information if known how to be used even by Hugenouts. There is a second and different Muschart collection at the Bureau of Heraldry in South Africa which may contain additional information.
Muschart contains the following variants which may be of interest on Bricque research. You have to photocopy in person at the archives, on the internet it only gives film code and partial arms description in dutch. Muschart usually writes down the source of where he saw the arms and who it belonged to.
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Brichan
69H: Meer dan een korenschoof
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Brichanteau, de
46H: Meer dan drie bollen
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Bricheau
66I: Een boom
82O: Twee pijlen, vergezeld
You may also find info in family documents at CBG under "Brik", "de Brichy", "Brico", and "Bricho"
I don't actually know if I have any Huguenots in my tree or not, but I joined this group due to recently finding information indicating that one of my supposedly Dutch family surnames is actually a Dutch-ization of a Huguenot name and that they fled to the Netherlands within a few generations of coming to New Netherland in North America. This information cites documention held by the New England Historic Genealogical Society, and I'll be doing research at their library this weekend, so I hope to find out one way or the other then. Does anyone know how common this kind of migration would have been?
"...they fled to the Netherlands within a few generations of coming to New Netherland in North America"
I realize I worded that poorly - I mean that, according to what I found anyhow, within a few generations after fleeing to the Netherlands, they moved onward to New Netherland. (I know they were in New Netherland because I have many documents of that, but I haven't traced them back very far in Europe.)
Liz,
Wikipedia says "In June 1625, 45 additional colonists disembarked on Noten Eylant from three ships named Horse, Cow, and Sheep, which also delivered 103 horses, steers, cows, pigs, and sheep. Some settlers were dispersed to the various garrisons built across the territory: upstream to Fort Orange, to Kievets Hoek on the Fresh River, and Fort Wilhelmus on the South River. Most of the settlers were not Dutch, but Walloons, French Huguenots or Africans (who were brought as slaves).[18
16. Bert van Steeg. "Walen in de Wildernis" (in Dutch). De wereld van Peter Stuyvesant. http://stuyvesant.library.uu.nl/kaarten/steegessay.htm.
17 "1624 In the Unity (Eendracht)". Rootsweb Ancestry.com. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/shfrsten.html.
18 "Slavery in New Netherland / De slavernij in Nieuw Nederland" (in English/Dutch) (The Library of Congress Global Gateway). The Atlantic World / De Atlantische Wereld. http://international.loc.gov/intldl/awkbhtml/kb-1/kb-1-2-3.html#track1.
Michael, thank you for posting. From what I know of this family, they came in the 1640s, but it shows that it seems to have been a pretty common occurance at the time. I am curious to see what I find at the research library, and would be happy to share if you're interested. :-)
Hi again,
You didn't say whether you were interested in a follow-up :-) but I thought I'd provide one anyway. Despite the vaguest of citations ("a manuscript at NEHGS"; luckily I knew that this stood for New England Historic Genealogical Society) I was able to locate the document in question. At least as far as I've read so far, there is nothing in the document definitively stating that this family were Huguenots, but the author very precisely argues that they were walloons from France. Based on other inaccurate information on the webpage, I am pretty sure that the author of the webpage never actually looked at the document. According to the manuscript in question, the family fled France and in a single generation came to North America (the author states that the children were born in France and fled with their parents, the children going on to New Netherland). The manuscript repeatedly refers to a place called "Duvres" or "Dusvres" (the unknown author's spelling for place names tends to vary; I don't know if that's based on their original sources, or...) and the closest I have found online is Douvres, but I don't know if that is the correct corresponding place.
I was allowed to xerox some pages of the manuscript, so I am planning to better review the pages I copied at home later this week.
Interesting, Wallons from France, I thought Wallons were from Belgium and Huguenots were from France, both of reformed faith but different cultural dialects. Here is an article describing their physical traits http://www.jstor.org/pss/2841329
I have to admit it's not a subject I know very much about as of yet. The unknown author called them "walloons" (lower-cased) in the manuscript, and cited several documents that were in French, and called the family French, but perhaps they were French Belgian? I read some of the text to a relative who knows more about Belgium than I do because she was friends with a Belgian for thirty years, and she mentioned that a particular surname (the wife of one of the family members) sounded Flemish to her ear (her friend was Flemish). I am not sure that Belgium as a country existed at the start of the 1600s when the events in the manuscript were occuring? I will have to read up more on the history of the area during this time period. Thank you for posting the link!
I also looked more into Duvres/Dusvres (particularly the spelling I found in search engines - Douvres - though it's not the same as the spelling in the aforementioned text) and discovered that it is also the French name for Dover, England (in addition to being a few place names in France as I mentioned in my last post). The mystery deepens!
I should add that the family in question were involved in the shipping industry, according to the text (and I know from other sources that the son who emigrated to New Netherland was a seaman before emigrating), so if these new-to-me occupation citations are correct, it is theoretically plausible that they could be living in Dover even if they were born in continental Europe and/or ethnically French/Flemish/similar.
my name is Ed Bilky and I am researching a part of my family line and it appears to be hidden somewhere in the French Huguenot exodus during the reform movement. I believe that they were in or around La Rochelle France.The family of Gabriel Laboyteaux B: 1664 in France D: 1734 Middlesex Nj I also believe that he married Constance Le Brun in 1695 New York
As I've continued researching my New York Dutch, I've come across several more usages of "walloon" to mean anyone from France or Flanders who fled to the Netherlands around the 17th century, particularly in books and manuscripts from the 1800s and early 1900s. They seem to have used the term Huguenot much more specifically than walloon in that time period. I wanted to mention it here in case other people encounter the same thing and get confused as I initially did.
I'm just beginning to study the Dutch on the west bank of the Hudson, but I can recommend an article in 'New York History' entitled 'where ye walloens dwell': Rethinking the Ethnic Identity of the Huguenots of New Paltz and Ulster County, New York, Available to the New Netherland Institute's Online Store http://www.nnp.org/shop1/books/new-york-history-fall-2008/prod_94.html
My Fourche and DeVoix families were from France and came to America in 1670's. Would like to know more about these families in France. My maiden name was Forshey which came from Fourche
To Ed Bilky, thank you - you have given me a renewed spark to look for more info re: my ancestor Elizabeth Baignoux/Benue Freeman. The cemetery had a note for her that she was a French Huguenot but I just kept hitting walls. I saw in your post mention of Middlesex, NJ - She died in Woodbridge, Middlesex, NJ in 1760 and is buried in the Woodbridge Presbyterian Church. I guess I'd better keep looking. I'm so glad that I signed up for this forum. Thanks!
"Revised History of Harlem (City of New York): Its Origin and Early Annals: Prefaced by Home Scenes in the Fatherlands; Or Notices of Its Founders Before ... the Recovered History of the Land-Titles ... "[Paperback] (available at amazon.com) has between 5 and 10 Baignoux surname listings. The given names are Jeaen, Jean, and John (example"Jeaen Baignoux,worthy French refugee" (probably 1668) p. 247. I'm worried about running out of space here ...willardsaunders@gmail.com
My Van der Keur family is from Leiden, Netherlands. 300 years after the marriage of Arij van der Keur to Tanneke Pieters de Groet their descendants still live in Leiden and believe that Arij van der Keur was a Huguenot. It is suspected that Arij was born circa 1686-1690 in The Hague. No proof has been located, and again is suspect, that his father was Maerten Claesz van der Keur, a young man from Ghent and his mother was Annetje Pieterse van Raephorst (widow of Pieter Pietersz Courturier. Maerten Claesz van der Keur and Annetje Pieterse van Raephorst were married in The Hague 14 Dec 1687. I am looking for documentation to prove this family connection.
Hi Sue, Arij van der Keur is one of my ancestors too. However I doubt that Maerten Claesz. van der Keur is his father. Arij's wife Tanneke Pieters de Groet was baptized on February, 7th, 1679 in Leiden which makes me think that Arij's birth probably was around that time too. Often the men were a little older than their wives so I think he might be from around 1676 to 1680. Ofcourse it's not impossible that he's younger than his wife. However if you look at Arij and Tanneke's children on this site http://www.mijnstambomen.nl/leiden/keur.htm
then you see a Pieter and a Magdalena named after Tanneke's parents but you don't see a Maerten. If you look at Arij's and Tanneke's children you see that the eldest son is named Claas which means there's quite a chance that Arij's father is also named Claas/Claes. The eldest son is often named after the paternal grandfather. So since Maerten's father is also called Claes and Arij's father might be called Claes I think it's more likely that Maerten and Arij are brothers then fathter and son. On the other hand if they were brothers then why didn't Arij call one of his 4 sons Maerten? The reason for this ofcourse might be that the Van der Keur was so big that he didn't came around to naming one if both Maerten and Arij were one of the younger siblings from that family. Or the other sons were named after Tanneke's brothers. This is all speculation ofcourse it's good to keep an open option for multiple options. BTW since Arij has a daughter called Kaatje (Catharina) she "might" be named after the paternal grandmother. Again this is speculation :)
PS and ofcourse Arij and Maerten might not be related at all. The surname might just be a coincidence. However if they are brothers (or father and son) there's also the possibility that he's born in Ghent.
I'm researching Pairans and Julliens in Mariendorf, Hessen. My gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather was born Estienne Pairan in 1767 in Mariendorf and emigrated to Philadelphia PA sometime between 1781 and 1784. He was a hatter in Philadelphia, known as Stephen Payran, living until 1847 and establishing a large number of descendants in the US.
Hi, my name is Mary Ellen and I am descended for Phillippe De La Noye He was a Huguenot whose parents got him out of France to Netherlands and He came to America and founded the Delano family in first New England Then they spread to other parts of the country. He came on the Fortune. He originally sailed on the Speewell which set out at the same time as the Mayflower but sprung aleak and had to turn back. It was the second pilgrim ship to land here. Fastinating study.
Carolynne Park
Jul 24, 2009
William S Dean
Aug 4, 2009
William S Dean
Aug 4, 2009
Deborah Leucretia Hund
I also have Huguenots in New Amsterdam after several generations in the Netherlands. My dad is primarily researching that line: RAPALJE (RAPALIETTE), COZINE, DES MARETS/DEMAREST, TRICAULT/TRICO
Aug 7, 2009
Barbara Brown
The following is a link to an information leaflet in the London Metropolitan Archives which may be of some interest to people.
http://217.154.230.218/NR/rdonlyres/34730A40-DB27-4219-AF58-7ADC1DF73301/0/infono24.pdf
In case it does not work this one should then look for the Huguenot Society of London on the list
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/LGNL_Services/Leisure_and_culture/Records_and_archives/Visitor_information/free_information_leaflets.htm
Aug 9, 2009
Rosemary Taylor
Aug 10, 2009
Earl Reemt Duthler
My question is this: How does one trace back from Germany and the Netherlands (two prime Huguenot refuges) to France?
Aug 16, 2009
Cindy M
Sep 24, 2009
Richard A. Hayes
Oct 15, 2009
Richie C.
Digitale Stamboom searches seven Archives in the Netherlands in one search portal.
Oct 15, 2009
Richie C.
Oct 15, 2009
Kay Fordham
Oct 19, 2009
Rosemary Taylor
http://www.geocities.com/dane97520/VanSalee.html
It is interesting reading about the pirate Salee and descendants.
Oct 25, 2009
Christine Kay Olsen-Needham
ALSO, for Richie C., I have Teunis de Nyse in my tree.
Oct 25, 2009
Rosemary Taylor
Oct 25, 2009
Willard Saunders
Nov 14, 2009
Armando Framarini
I am very interested in your van Salee/Sallee research. I tried looking at the geocities website but it is no longer there.
You may be interested in similar storie in Sol and Soule groups which I hope you join.
I have been researching van Soldt/Solt/Sold family for a short while. The variants that the family has been recorded under are Vansold, Vansolt, Vansoldt, Vansalt, van Salt, de Solt, du Solt, de Soule, van Soule, van Soult, Vansoulte, Sold, Vold, de Sol, van Solle
I was researching Abraham van Soldt who came to Virginia colony in 1630's from London, had a daughter Rose who married a Joseph Mason.
Dec 1, 2009
Armando Framarini
Is Dela Bricque a variant of what you are looking for?
Dec 1, 2009
Michael Helmantoler
Dec 1, 2009
Armando Framarini
Page 48 of unknown Codex sold at auction in England several years ago and broken with each page sold separetly. The back of page 47 (of at least 110 in this volume) would have the genealogical information of this family. I have never seen 47. I have been able to confirm genealogies on several of these pages 1500-1700's. Watermarks on paper prove 200+ years old and high quality, however due to technique I think this was custom copy of unknown works in late 1800"s. I am not sure if I did this one yet, if I did it is Ancestry.com. If you need me to do it, it will take me a day to complete.
Dec 1, 2009
Armando Framarini
Motherside Ravesalot married Haestrecht, father of Ravesalot married Gent, father Haestrecht married Malsen
Dec 1, 2009
Armando Framarini
The Central Bureau of Genealogie in The Hague, Netherlands is the dutch authority for collecting and preserving genealogies and heraldry. The website is CBG.nl A very good source of Huguenot information, hopefully you can read dutch which I cannot.
The following "de la Bricque" photo can be obtained over the internet for about 7 euros.
De la Bricque
Wapen: in groen drie zilveren kraanvogels.
Wapenvoerder: De la Bricque
Een van de acht kwartierwapens van het wapen van Pieter Corswarem.
Bron 1:
CBG, GHS 50A34, J.M. de Lange. Wapenboeck, familiewapens, rouwborden en grafschriften, ca. 1717, blz. 1756, 1758.
Afbeelding: Bricque01
Here the picture is of a green shield. It could be a faded blue and appear green. Green could be incorrect, or Blue could be incorrect.
We now have a probable source for page I posted being a Family Arms book by J M Lange made around 1717. The page displays the family genealogy of Pieter Corswaren.
Also at the CBG is the famous MUSCHART heraldry collection which is on microfilm. A very rich source of information if known how to be used even by Hugenouts. There is a second and different Muschart collection at the Bureau of Heraldry in South Africa which may contain additional information.
Muschart contains the following variants which may be of interest on Bricque research. You have to photocopy in person at the archives, on the internet it only gives film code and partial arms description in dutch. Muschart usually writes down the source of where he saw the arms and who it belonged to.
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Brichan
69H: Meer dan een korenschoof
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Brichanteau, de
46H: Meer dan drie bollen
Codering(en) volgens Muschart bij de naam Bricheau
66I: Een boom
82O: Twee pijlen, vergezeld
You may also find info in family documents at CBG under "Brik", "de Brichy", "Brico", and "Bricho"
Dec 2, 2009
James P. LaLone
Dec 8, 2009
Michael Helmantoler
Feb 24, 2010
Liz Loveland
Mar 22, 2010
Liz Loveland
I realize I worded that poorly - I mean that, according to what I found anyhow, within a few generations after fleeing to the Netherlands, they moved onward to New Netherland. (I know they were in New Netherland because I have many documents of that, but I haven't traced them back very far in Europe.)
Mar 22, 2010
Michael Helmantoler
Wikipedia says "In June 1625, 45 additional colonists disembarked on Noten Eylant from three ships named Horse, Cow, and Sheep, which also delivered 103 horses, steers, cows, pigs, and sheep. Some settlers were dispersed to the various garrisons built across the territory: upstream to Fort Orange, to Kievets Hoek on the Fresh River, and Fort Wilhelmus on the South River. Most of the settlers were not Dutch, but Walloons, French Huguenots or Africans (who were brought as slaves).[18
16. Bert van Steeg. "Walen in de Wildernis" (in Dutch). De wereld van Peter Stuyvesant. http://stuyvesant.library.uu.nl/kaarten/steegessay.htm.
17 "1624 In the Unity (Eendracht)". Rootsweb Ancestry.com. http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nycoloni/shfrsten.html.
18 "Slavery in New Netherland / De slavernij in Nieuw Nederland" (in English/Dutch) (The Library of Congress Global Gateway). The Atlantic World / De Atlantische Wereld. http://international.loc.gov/intldl/awkbhtml/kb-1/kb-1-2-3.html#track1.
Mar 22, 2010
Liz Loveland
Mar 22, 2010
Liz Loveland
You didn't say whether you were interested in a follow-up :-) but I thought I'd provide one anyway. Despite the vaguest of citations ("a manuscript at NEHGS"; luckily I knew that this stood for New England Historic Genealogical Society) I was able to locate the document in question. At least as far as I've read so far, there is nothing in the document definitively stating that this family were Huguenots, but the author very precisely argues that they were walloons from France. Based on other inaccurate information on the webpage, I am pretty sure that the author of the webpage never actually looked at the document. According to the manuscript in question, the family fled France and in a single generation came to North America (the author states that the children were born in France and fled with their parents, the children going on to New Netherland). The manuscript repeatedly refers to a place called "Duvres" or "Dusvres" (the unknown author's spelling for place names tends to vary; I don't know if that's based on their original sources, or...) and the closest I have found online is Douvres, but I don't know if that is the correct corresponding place.
I was allowed to xerox some pages of the manuscript, so I am planning to better review the pages I copied at home later this week.
Mar 28, 2010
Michael Helmantoler
Mar 29, 2010
Liz Loveland
I also looked more into Duvres/Dusvres (particularly the spelling I found in search engines - Douvres - though it's not the same as the spelling in the aforementioned text) and discovered that it is also the French name for Dover, England (in addition to being a few place names in France as I mentioned in my last post). The mystery deepens!
Mar 29, 2010
Liz Loveland
Mar 29, 2010
Sherril Edward Bilky Jr
Mar 31, 2010
Liz Loveland
May 2, 2010
Willard Saunders
http://www.nnp.org/shop1/books/new-york-history-fall-2008/prod_94.html
May 2, 2010
Willard Saunders
May 2, 2010
Liz Loveland
May 9, 2010
Dorothy Hollings
May 9, 2010
Kathleen Forshey-Burns
Jun 30, 2010
Nancy Bonham Wojcik
Dec 7, 2010
Willard Saunders
Dec 7, 2010
Nancy Bonham Wojcik
Dec 7, 2010
Sue de Groot, PLCGS
My Van der Keur family is from Leiden, Netherlands. 300 years after the marriage of Arij van der Keur to Tanneke Pieters de Groet their descendants still live in Leiden and believe that Arij van der Keur was a Huguenot. It is suspected that Arij was born circa 1686-1690 in The Hague. No proof has been located, and again is suspect, that his father was Maerten Claesz van der Keur, a young man from Ghent and his mother was Annetje Pieterse van Raephorst (widow of Pieter Pietersz Courturier. Maerten Claesz van der Keur and Annetje Pieterse van Raephorst were married in The Hague 14 Dec 1687. I am looking for documentation to prove this family connection.
Mar 14, 2011
James P. LaLone
Using Hinshaw's Encyclopedia of American Quaker Genealogy
http://www2.guilford.edu/about_guilford/services_and_administration/library1/fhc/guides/hinshaw.htmlAug 22, 2011
M.Verplancke
To Sue de Groot,
Hi Sue, Arij van der Keur is one of my ancestors too. However I doubt that Maerten Claesz. van der Keur is his father. Arij's wife Tanneke Pieters de Groet was baptized on February, 7th, 1679 in Leiden which makes me think that Arij's birth probably was around that time too. Often the men were a little older than their wives so I think he might be from around 1676 to 1680. Ofcourse it's not impossible that he's younger than his wife. However if you look at Arij and Tanneke's children on this site http://www.mijnstambomen.nl/leiden/keur.htm
then you see a Pieter and a Magdalena named after Tanneke's parents but you don't see a Maerten. If you look at Arij's and Tanneke's children you see that the eldest son is named Claas which means there's quite a chance that Arij's father is also named Claas/Claes. The eldest son is often named after the paternal grandfather. So since Maerten's father is also called Claes and Arij's father might be called Claes I think it's more likely that Maerten and Arij are brothers then fathter and son. On the other hand if they were brothers then why didn't Arij call one of his 4 sons Maerten? The reason for this ofcourse might be that the Van der Keur was so big that he didn't came around to naming one if both Maerten and Arij were one of the younger siblings from that family. Or the other sons were named after Tanneke's brothers. This is all speculation ofcourse it's good to keep an open option for multiple options. BTW since Arij has a daughter called Kaatje (Catharina) she "might" be named after the paternal grandmother. Again this is speculation :)
Dec 4, 2011
M.Verplancke
PS and ofcourse Arij and Maerten might not be related at all. The surname might just be a coincidence. However if they are brothers (or father and son) there's also the possibility that he's born in Ghent.
Dec 4, 2011
M.Verplancke
Hi again Sue,
I just found out that Tanneke's marriage to Arij was her 2nd marriage so that might make it more probably that she was a little older than Arij.
Dec 4, 2011
Debbie Winchell (Loving Dove)
Hello. I have Rapalje, Trico and Lemaster in my family.
Jul 9, 2012
Judy Holcombe Smith
Hi,
I'm researching Pairans and Julliens in Mariendorf, Hessen. My gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather was born Estienne Pairan in 1767 in Mariendorf and emigrated to Philadelphia PA sometime between 1781 and 1784. He was a hatter in Philadelphia, known as Stephen Payran, living until 1847 and establishing a large number of descendants in the US.
Aug 23, 2012
Mary Ellen Aube
Hi, my name is Mary Ellen and I am descended for Phillippe De La Noye He was a Huguenot whose parents got him out of France to Netherlands and He came to America and founded the Delano family in first New England Then they spread to other parts of the country. He came on the Fortune. He originally sailed on the Speewell which set out at the same time as the Mayflower but sprung aleak and had to turn back. It was the second pilgrim ship to land here. Fastinating study.
Aug 23, 2012