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Descent form Charlemagne
Additions/corrections to the following descent appreciated, thanks, Jim.
1 Charlemagne of the FRANKS b. 2 Apr 742 d. 28 Jan 813/4 m. c. 768 Himiltrude _____ b. c. 742 d. c. 769
m. 769/70 Hermengarde of LOMBARDY b. c. 742 d. 764
m. 30 Apr 771 Hildegarde von LINZGAU b. c, 757/8 d. 30 Apr 783
m. Sigrada _____
m. Oct 783 Fastrada of FRANCONIA b. c. 763 d. 10 Aug 794
m. 794/6 Liutgard of ARDENNES b. c. 776/82 d. 4 Jan 800
partner: Madelgard(a) _____ b. c. 786
partner: Gersvind(a) _____ b. c. 790
partner: Adalind of FRANCONIA b. c. 779
partner: Regina _____ b. c. 787
2 Rotrude of FRANCE b. 773/5 d. 6 Jun 810 m. c. 781 Constantine VI of BYZANTIUM b. 771 d. Jul 797
partner: Rorico(n) I, Ct. of MAINE d. c.833/40
3 Roricon, comte du MAINE b. _____ d. 840 m. Bilichilde _____
4 Roricon, comte du MAINE b. _____ d. 865 m. unknown
5 Gozlin/Godefroi, comte du MAINE m. Godehilde of ITALY
6 Godefroi/Geoffroy-Rorgon du MAINE m. unknown
7 Thibault de MAINE m. unknown
8 Berthe du MAINE m. Foulques de BRIOLLAY
9 Bouchard, seigneur de BRIOLLAY m. Alsent _____
10 Bouchard, seigneur de BRIOLLAY m. Judith _____
11 Ingelger, seigneur de BRIOLLAY m. Hermessende _____
12 Arthaud de BRIOLLAY m. Alsende/Auxende, dame de ROCHEFORT
13 Geoffroy de BRIOLLAY m. Gervaise/Guermaise de BEAUVAU
14 Typhaine dite Chevrière de BRIOLLAY m. Liziard, seigneur de SABLÉ
15 Robert de SABLÉ m. Hersende d'ANTHENAISE
16 Robert de NEVERS b. c. 1146 d. 13 Jan 1196 m. Clémence de MAYENNE d. c. 1189/90
17 Marguerite de SABLÉ m. bef. 1214 Guillaume des ROCHES d. 1222
18 Clémence des ROCHES m. c. 1220 Geoffroy V/VI, vicomte de CHÂTEAUDUN b. c. 1195
19 Jeanne de CHÂTEAUDUN b. 1227 m. Jean I, comte de MONTFORT-L'AMAURY d. 1249
m. 1251 Jean De BRIENNE b. c. 1217 d. 1296
20 Béatrix, comtesse de MONTFORT-L'AMAURY m. Robert IV de DREUX d. 14 Nov 1282
21 Jeanne de DREUX m. bef. 1292 Jean IV de PIERREPONT d. 1302
22 Marie de PIERREPONT b. c. 1280 m. Jean, Seigneur de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN d. c. 1312
23 Jean III de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN b. c. 1301 d. c. 1355 m. c. 1321/6 Marguerite de NOYERS b. c. 1305 d. bef. 1353
24 Jeanne, Dame de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN m. bef. 1345 Jean I de THIL d. 1355
25 Jean II de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN m. Jeanne de GRANCEY d. c. 1422/5
m. Isabeau de la TREMOILLE
26 Marie de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN b. c. 1380 d. 1423 m. 1397 Amé I de SAARBRÜCKEN b. c. 1370 d. Jun 1414
27 Robert I de SAARBRÜCKEN b. _____ d. 1464 / 1465 m. 1417 Jeanne de ROUCY b. c. 1046 d. 4 Sep 1459
28 Jeanne of SAARBRÜCKEN m. bef. 1463 Christophe of BARBANÇON-CANNY d. 13 Feb 1496 / 7 Feb
29 Francois of BARBANÇON-FRETTE b. _____ d. aft. 7 Feb 1501 m. Francoise de VILLERS
30 Marguerite de BARBANÇON b. c.1500 m. 15 Jul 1519 Robert de JOYEUSE b. c. 1496 d. aft. 1556
31 Francois de JOYEUSE m. Nicole-Francoise de BEAUVAIS
32 Jean de JOYEUSE-CHAMPIGNEULLE m. Nicole des ANCHERINS
33 Louise de JOYEUSE m. Charles de LONGUEVAL
1 Charlemagne of the FRANKS b. 2 Apr 742 d. 28 Jan 813/4 m. c. 768 Himiltrude _____ b. c. 742 d. c. 769
m. 769/70 Hermengarde of LOMBARDY b. c. 742 d. 764
m. 30 Apr 771 Hildegarde von LINZGAU b. c, 757/8 d. 30 Apr 783
m. Sigrada _____
m. Oct 783 Fastrada of FRANCONIA b. c. 763 d. 10 Aug 794
m. 794/6 Liutgard of ARDENNES b. c. 776/82 d. 4 Jan 800
partner: Madelgard(a) _____ b. c. 786
partner: Gersvind(a) _____ b. c. 790
partner: Adalind of FRANCONIA b. c. 779
partner: Regina _____ b. c. 787
2 Rotrude of FRANCE b. 773/5 d. 6 Jun 810 m. c. 781 Constantine VI of BYZANTIUM b. 771 d. Jul 797
partner: Rorico(n) I, Ct. of MAINE d. c.833/40
3 Roricon, comte du MAINE b. _____ d. 840 m. Bilichilde _____
4 Roricon, comte du MAINE b. _____ d. 865 m. unknown
5 Gozlin/Godefroi, comte du MAINE m. Godehilde of ITALY
6 Godefroi/Geoffroy-Rorgon du MAINE m. unknown
7 Thibault de MAINE m. unknown
8 Berthe du MAINE m. Foulques de BRIOLLAY
9 Bouchard, seigneur de BRIOLLAY m. Alsent _____
10 Bouchard, seigneur de BRIOLLAY m. Judith _____
11 Ingelger, seigneur de BRIOLLAY m. Hermessende _____
12 Arthaud de BRIOLLAY m. Alsende/Auxende, dame de ROCHEFORT
13 Geoffroy de BRIOLLAY m. Gervaise/Guermaise de BEAUVAU
14 Typhaine dite Chevrière de BRIOLLAY m. Liziard, seigneur de SABLÉ
15 Robert de SABLÉ m. Hersende d'ANTHENAISE
16 Robert de NEVERS b. c. 1146 d. 13 Jan 1196 m. Clémence de MAYENNE d. c. 1189/90
17 Marguerite de SABLÉ m. bef. 1214 Guillaume des ROCHES d. 1222
18 Clémence des ROCHES m. c. 1220 Geoffroy V/VI, vicomte de CHÂTEAUDUN b. c. 1195
19 Jeanne de CHÂTEAUDUN b. 1227 m. Jean I, comte de MONTFORT-L'AMAURY d. 1249
m. 1251 Jean De BRIENNE b. c. 1217 d. 1296
20 Béatrix, comtesse de MONTFORT-L'AMAURY m. Robert IV de DREUX d. 14 Nov 1282
21 Jeanne de DREUX m. bef. 1292 Jean IV de PIERREPONT d. 1302
22 Marie de PIERREPONT b. c. 1280 m. Jean, Seigneur de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN d. c. 1312
23 Jean III de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN b. c. 1301 d. c. 1355 m. c. 1321/6 Marguerite de NOYERS b. c. 1305 d. bef. 1353
24 Jeanne, Dame de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN m. bef. 1345 Jean I de THIL d. 1355
25 Jean II de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN m. Jeanne de GRANCEY d. c. 1422/5
m. Isabeau de la TREMOILLE
26 Marie de CHÂTEAUVILLAIN b. c. 1380 d. 1423 m. 1397 Amé I de SAARBRÜCKEN b. c. 1370 d. Jun 1414
27 Robert I de SAARBRÜCKEN b. _____ d. 1464 / 1465 m. 1417 Jeanne de ROUCY b. c. 1046 d. 4 Sep 1459
28 Jeanne of SAARBRÜCKEN m. bef. 1463 Christophe of BARBANÇON-CANNY d. 13 Feb 1496 / 7 Feb
29 Francois of BARBANÇON-FRETTE b. _____ d. aft. 7 Feb 1501 m. Francoise de VILLERS
30 Marguerite de BARBANÇON b. c.1500 m. 15 Jul 1519 Robert de JOYEUSE b. c. 1496 d. aft. 1556
31 Francois de JOYEUSE m. Nicole-Francoise de BEAUVAIS
32 Jean de JOYEUSE-CHAMPIGNEULLE m. Nicole des ANCHERINS
33 Louise de JOYEUSE m. Charles de LONGUEVAL
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Permalink Reply by James P. LaLone on
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Attached is a file showing only the first three generations (about 23 pages). Will be glad to exchange data on any of the above mentioned families as well as the ones listed in the Desc. from William the Conqueror. They are my direct lines. Have LOTS more (database around 20,000), just ask. Thanks, Jim.
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Charlemagne desc 3 gen.RTF, 256 KB
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Permalink Reply by Thomas E. Abbott on
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Thanks! On a related topic -- I have, off and on, over the years, been trying to complete a chart -- believe it or not -- of the ancestors of Edw I. To say this is a quite extensive project grossly understates its scale, but in the process it is a nice way to get to "know" the ancestors, if only in a very sketchy way. In the map-size context they are displayed, their positioning in the centuries is thus more easily remembered, as well as who their contemporaries were. My question is: Do you know of anyone who has already done this? I would be interested only in the displayable data in a small font (say, size 4-6) and closely enough bunched together so that the chart would be only eight feet in height or so. This wouldn;t of course include siblings except in the more recent generations, but definitely would have pertinent b, m, & d dates and places and, where possible, very abreviated important life events and titles. Does this monster chart sound like anything you have ever read or heard of? Or maybe software that would limit the spacing that so often limits close bunching of data?
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Somewhere, I read about a company that does large chart printouts of gendoms submitted. Unfortunately I do not remember the name. However, they were on the internet so try a google search. I think the cost was around $30 or so.
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Thomas, attached is an Ahnentafel for Edward I. I tried to do a collapsed lineage chart but my program would not let me save a file that way. Additions/ corrections are greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jim
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Permalink Reply by Aericus on
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Hi James-
I have the following additions/corrections to the ahnentafel of Edward I:
-#128 Geoffrey III's father was Hugues du Perche, whose ancestry is unknown. It has been proven that Geoffrey II was not his father, but rather his mother's first husband.
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/geoff002.htm
-#140 Duncan I's birthdate not stated in any primary source as far as I know. Do you know what source you used for it?
-#268 Robert de Chateau-du-Loir died on June 30. The year is uncertain, but is somewhere from 1065-1067.
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rober002.htm
#536 Hamon de Chateau-du-Loir's father is unknown, but his paternal grandmother is known to be Rorans (see below).
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/hamon000.htm
#2144 Rorans is a female, not a male. She is the paternal grandmother of #536 Hamon de Chateau-du-Loir.
http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/hamon000.htm
I'm sure there are others, but I don't have time to check the whole thing. Good luck with your project! -
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Aericus,
Thanks for the corrections & sources, actually I had notes re: Geoffrey III's parentage, although it indicated that Geoffrey II's was the most accepted as father.
Re: Duncan's birthdate, my reference for that was Monarchs of Scotland by Stewart Ross, p. 37.
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Jim, thanks tons for that! For some reason I missed the email announcing that you'd posted it. I've downloaded it and will go over as much as I can to maybe spot a typo if there is one anywhere! Fascinating detail though. Love that level of detail! More later...
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