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Germans to America 1893
Hei!
Hope some one could help me find out where in Germany my Greatgrandfather came from. Gerhart Henry William Sactheleben, born April 13, 1877, Germany, ( from WW1 reg. card) arrived (USA) 1895. Found "Germans to America" vol. 67 passenger list of Germans who came to America. He was not listed there. Tried to get vol 68 (from october 1895) but was unable to find a copy to look up his name. Is there any one that could help me tear down this brick this brick wall, look up his name in volume 68? Any other hints on how I can find out more about my German roots?
Richard
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Permalink Reply by Marianne Szabo on
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Sorry I can't do a look up. However, be aware that "Germans to America" is known to contain many mistakes and to omit entirely some surnames that didn't "seem" German. As an example, my G-Grandfather (Surname Booms) and his family are not there in either 1872, 1880, or 1887 (all years when I know they entered the U.S. from Germany), but his brother with the same surname is included in the 1871 volume.
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Thanks for the tip. Do you have any clues how I can find out how to go from here? Have tried looking up all the free sites and ancestry without getting any further.
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Try U.S. church records (marriage, birth, death), which often listed the town from which the participants came. This is how I found my maternal grandmother's village - it was on her marriage certificate from a church in Cleveland. If you know the neighborhood where they lived in the U.S. you can find out which churches served those neighborhoods and ethnicities. You probably will have to ask a church archivist to look for you, and pay a small stipend in return.
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Permalink Reply by Herb Depke on
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Ancestry.com has your ancestor, I believe. Here is a marriage record which seems to fit him. There is also most of the censuses, 1900, 1910, 1920, etc. My Depke family is also from Hanover.
Indiana, Select Marriages, 1780-1992
Name: William H. Sachteleben
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Divorced
Race: White
Age: 41
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1877
Birth Place: Hanover, Germany
Marriage Date: 18 Oct 1918
Marriage Place: Anderson, Madison, Indiana
Father:
Mother:
Spouse:
FHL Film Number: 2108436
Reference ID: 242
Source Information:
Ancestry.com. Indiana, Select Marriages, 1780-1992 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2014.If you want me to copy the censuses, let me know.
Remember: Germans often changed their multiple given names around.
Herb Depke
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Thanks Depke!
I heard that he used William as his first name. This must be his second marriage. He was married to my Ggrandmother, Minnie Wysong before this 1918 and had 4-5 children. I know they where divorced. She moved with their children to Muskegon, Mi. One thing I found strange was that i found him supposably is buried in Muskegon, Michigan in 1932( family plot). If you could send a copy of what you found that would be great! Family tradition had it that he was from Hamburg. If he was from Hanover, like your family, how could I found out more about his German past?
Richard
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Richard,
I now see most of the William Sachteleben listed in an Ancestry search is a man, same name but born c.1859 and lived in Illinois. So, the only thing I can add is the 1930 census. which is in Indiana.
1930 United States Federal Census 5 April 1930
Home in 1930: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana
405 E Washington Street - Tremont Hotel
= this is in the city, not a farm!
Household Members:
= many names, saved only this one =
William Sachteleben, Lodger, 59, Widowed, Germany-Ger-Ger, imm-1878, Naturalized, Occupation-Farmer, Farm
Source Citation: Year: 1930; Census Place: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana; Roll: 614; Page: 2B; Enumeration District: 0166; Image: 276.0; FHL microfilm: 2340349.
Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1930 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2002.I have a series of maps for Germany, very old to 1918. The map of interest is 1871-1918 which shows Hamburg being in Hanover. Hanover was both a Kingdom and a city. The country called Germany was formed in 1873. Anyway, we are both "Northern German."
Herb
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Richard,
I forgot to answer your question as to how you find information in Germany. First you must know the city/village of birth. Then it is a matter of finding someone in Germany to research the church records in that city/village [or where ever they now have them]. It worked for me.
Herb
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You don't need to go to Germany for the records. Family Search has microfilmed records from all over Germany and the films are available from the library in Salt Lake City. Search their catalog for the city/village of interest, and if they have church records, the information will come up. You then can order the film to be sent to a Family History Center near you to view for a small fee.
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See my post to Herb Depke at the end of this string about ordering microfilms from the Family Search website that have the church records for Germany if you know the city/village. You can have the films sent to a Family History Center near you for a small fee.
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Richard,
I have found two more pieces of your puzzle: marriage & 1900 census. - Herb
Indiana, Marriage Collection, 1800-1941
Name: William Sachtelben
Spouse Name: Minnie L. Wysong
Marriage Date: 11 Dec 1898
Marriage County: Grant
Source Citation: Grant County, Indiana; Marriage Records Volume III Book 12 (Mar 1898-Mar, Compiled by--Grant County Genealogy Club; Book: 12; Page: 185.
Source Information: Ancestry.com. Indiana, Marriage Collection, 1800-1941 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2005.
1900 United States Federal Census - 12 June 1900
Home in 1900: Marion, Grant, Indiana
= Address: 499 Christy
Household Members:
William Sachtelben, Head, Apr 1877, 23, Married, One year [1899], Germany-Ger-Ger, Imm-1893 (sic), In USA-7 years, Pa [not US citizen], Stone mason
Minnie Sachtelben, Wife, July 1878, 22, Married, One year, Children: born-1, Living-0, Indiana-OH-OH
=> so their first child died.
Source Citation: Year: 1900; Census Place: Marion, Grant, Indiana; Roll: 373; Page: 23A; Enumeration District: 0025; FHL microfilm: 1240373.
Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1900 United States Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations Inc, 2004.
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Great stuff Herb!
So William immigrated in 1893 and not 1895 making him about 16 years old. Wonder if he traveled alone or with other family members. Just found the document myself (1900 census). Under citizenship it stands Naturalization Pa. Dosnt that mean he became a naturalized citizen in Pa.? I tried earlier with another branch of my family to find naturalization papers on the net with no luck. Read one place that this papers were usually stored at the local /state level and not sent to national archives. Some work to do here. I will take a look and try to find microfilm from Salt Lake (thanks for the info Marianne!) that might help in the search for where William came from (Hamburg, Hannover or another place?).
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Pa is the designation for NOT being a US citizen. That is, not yet naturalized. I forget what it means. I tried the New York passenger lists & did not find him. Actually I have been looking for his parents because in the 1930 census he said he immigrated in 1878, so he would have been only about 5 years old, so he needed parents and I looked in the 1880 census, could not find. If 1893 is the correct date for his immigration, he could have come on his own. These huge swings in immigration year on censuses id all too common. - Herb
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