G'Day to all. I am new to this so will probably need some help from anyone. My name is Glenys Rankin from Bli Bli, Sunshine Coast, Queensland. I am trying to research Clark, Rankin, Ahern/Ahearn, Morrison, McDougall. Thanks

Hi. all
My brick wall is in WA goldfields John Wilson married Mary Jane O"Brien can not find parents of John. He managed a pub in Mulline and it is bellieved that, Mary Jane fed the railway workers in that area have no idea where John came from if any one could help please
Sandra

INTRODUCTION
We temper our understanding of past cultures by our perceptions of ourselves in our own time envelope. When my mother died in 1992, I began to look back into the past of the Hinton family. Initially, my efforts were haphazard, lacking structure, with little direction. However, as I started to fit the family puzzle together, I found a richness of culture not only in the Hinton family but related families. My journey started with an idea, “Who am I?” and where did my family come from. In answering the second question first, genealogical research draws together the English origins of those Hinton ancestors from the Oxfordshire area and their Australian descendents. There are also many directly interconnected families in the Hinton story, each with a tapestry of triumphs and loss. Some include the Appleton mine accident at Ipswich; loss of children at sea, but also romantic stories like Sarah Simmond’s affair with a sea captain or the mystery disappearance of Mary Harding Harris. The Hinton story is a story of many Australian families. My early work brought together two factors. Hinton’s lived much of their life in the area of Mt Coot-tha. As a boy, my friends and I spent many hours wondering Mt Coot-tha. It is fitting that I tell the Hinton story against the background of Mt Coot-tha. Other families who also settled in the Mt Coot-tha area had connections with the Hinton family, such as the Woolfe, Randal, Simmons, Collins and Wood families.
Writing this book gave me purpose, but more importantly, it gave me a sense of belonging. Some critics thought I displayed symptoms of obsessive, compulsive behaviour. I have uncovered a richness of life that has helped mould me into a patient, tolerant human being capable of expressing my thoughts into a format for those generations to follow. There are those who argue that the past is dead, why drag up the dead. To me, that is too simplistic in trying to understand who I am. I believe I am the sum of the lives of my forebears. To deny that is to deny one’s present existence. Taken from a different point of view, we all carry genes of our forebears. I believe it is fitting to express our genetic history relative to the present.
Broadly speaking, stories have a beginning, middle and an end. In this story, the beginning is 1711. The middle is a continuum and there is no end because future generations will have their tale to tell, perhaps built on works like this.
To better understand the way in which I see the Hinton family and its development through the ages, I need to paint a brief word picture of life in England in the period 1711-1875.
In the period 1600-1750 the general standard of living in England was relatively low, techniques of agriculture inefficient and communication cumbersome compared to the post- 1850 period. There appear to have been few health and medical services, consequently infant and adult mortality was high. In some years, severe weather conditions, combined with these factors and outbreaks of epidemic diseases, increased death rates of both infants and elderly. Consequently, net population growth was suppressed.
Conditions in England between 1860 and 1870 were one of prosperity driven by technological and social advancement. Examples cited include the building of the first underground railway in 1863; electric lighting in 1875; the bicycle in 1870; the Reform Bill of 1832; voting franchise for males; introduction of the Education Act of 1870 and the demolition of slums. This, against a background of the depression of 1873-1896 was a marvel but, unfortunately only for certain social classes. Many living in poverty such as the Hintons of Cuddesdon, were shunned by both the industrial unions and higher social classes. The perception of the poor and illiterate in England, Europe and later in Australia was that they were a burden on society because they were not fit as humans and interfered with the natural processes of society. Consequently, there appears to have been a strong movement against the granting of any social assistance to this sub-class.
The Royal Commission on Population in England estimated the growth in population in the period 1086 to 1700 to be not as rapid as in the period 1700 to 1947. Population growth in the Eighteenth Century was of the order of 50%. By comparison, post-Eighteenth Century population growth was rapid. Contributing factors to this shift in population trend included a decline in mortality rates rather than a rise in birth rates. This may have been brought about by improved nutrition and clothing, better sanitation, cleaner water supply and improvement in medical services.
England’s population multiplied 3.5 times between 1801 and 1901, driving up consumer demand, thereby increasing pressure on both agricultural and industrial production. Linked to this cycle was the need for technological improvement and a growth in capital investment. Much of this capital investment found its way into growth industries such as mills, shipbuilding and steel. England also needed to secure its colonial acquisitions by lifting investment in offshore colonies such as Australia. It could be argued that without such growth, emigration by our ancestors may not have been a consideration.
Conditions up to the depression of 1875 were such that families could afford to increase in size, proportionate to income and wealth levels. However, unskilled labourers were not in a position to grow. The hierarchy of landowners, clergy and professional men together with fringe elements of farmers, locked unskilled labourers out of wealth. This class would be subject to rental conditions that ensured their ongoing place in English society. The agricultural revolution, through amalgamation of small farmlets, draining and ditching along with mechanisation contributed to pushing unskilled labour further into poverty or migration to urban centres. “Official reporters and morally-agitated observers reported that rural labouring-class housing conditions remained generally dismal until at least the Seventies”. In 1851, 20.9% of the population of England and Wales found in agriculture. However, by 1871 this level had fallen to 14.2% and by 1881 to 11.5%.
Agriculture, forestry and fishing contributed to 22.1% of national income in 1841 declining to 14.2% by 1871. The converse occurred with mining, manufacturing and building. These factors strengthened the gulf between the haves and have-nots, the capitalists and the workers. Such gulfs permeated English institutions and may be observed by comparing the genealogical history of the upper and lower classes.
Most, but not all, ancestors of the present day Hintons and related families came from working class stock. The Gottschalks of Eschede, Germany were wheelwrights and cabinetmakers. The Hintons and Appletons who settled in Queensland were members of this sub-class in England. Most were unskilled labourers either working in agriculture or mines. Although conditions, relative to the present generation, were harsh, the standard of living improved between 1866 and 1898. For instance, a farm labourer could earn 14 shillings per week or coal miners 21 to 23 shillings per week. Today, a labourer may receive $20.00-$24.00 per hour.
This outline of general conditions in England paints a background to family life for the Hintons, Appletons and the interrelated families. These notes and the accompanying genealogical data may be likened to the structure of the human body. Genealogical data represents the backbone and rib cage of the body while the history, personalities, culture and anecdotal stories of families make up the flesh, skin and muscle.

I am the son of Ida and Ernest Hinton and the 5th Great Grandson of Thomas Hinton (1711-1796) of Cuddesdon, England. My parents were hard working and thrifty. As a baby boomer, my early life was full of adventure and simple pleasures. My family entertainment included the radio and local picture theatres. Television or computers were not in common. My sister Pam and I created our own fun through imagination. I left school at 15 to commence work with the Weather Bureau. I married my first wife, Cheryl, in 1969. After having two children together, we divorced in 1998.

We stayed in Canberra until 1986 when we moved to Mollymook after buying a small business. Peter and Melinda graduated from Wollongong University. Fortune smiled on me when I married Jane Haddock (nee Harris) in 2001. I moved back to Canberra where I now work for the Australian Federal Police.

One may ask why include background history of local Aboriginal tribes into a story of Hinton family history. The reason is that Hinton family history did not happen in a vacuum. Indigenous families inhabited Mt Coot-tha and the Guinea long before the Hintons and Collamores arrived. Their footprint, so to speak, was already there. I needed to demonstrate that tribes were pushed out of the area to be replaced by the Hintons and other families just as the Hintons were squeezed out of England.

22 July 2009

Hi Everybody, thanks for asking me to jion the group,my main interest's at the moment are my Melville family in aust, most of them decend from Scotland.
I have vic bmd's, South aust Bmd's,and a few other index's that I will name soon, so if anybody needs a hand , please ask away, I love helping my friends

Hi All
Since this group commenced only a short time ago I have managed to break down a brick wall due to the wonderful response of members, one in particular who provided me with a sledge hammer and I was able to put a family branch into its right place on my tree.
I have to ask a question about a gg grandfather b1826 Bristol in England. His name was John Phillips and he came to the NSW Colony in the late 1840's. His parents were John Phillips (a glass blower) and his mother was Maria Josham but I believe it was Gosham. He married Martha Davis in the Parish of Moreton Bay in 1850 + 1 and after 6 children, the last Thomas in 1861 at South Brisbane area. John Phillips then remarried in 1863 to Eliza Tibbits and on his MC stated he was a bachelor. This was corrected in 1866 by a notation on the 1863 MC that he was actually a widower. We cannot find any DC or record that Martha Phillips or Davis died in ths period. There are no divorce records. I can only assume Martha Phillips died in 1861 during child birth or shortly after without a death certificate being recorded. Perhaps a good and more experienced listener could throw a light on the subject. Also how can I check the Marriage records in Bristol around 1790-1830 to see if John Phillips and Maria Josham or Gosham have a marriage record.

Thanks

Chris Horgan

Many thanks for the invite
i do sporadic searching on the Johnson,O"brien,Mills Campbell and Edwards families
I look mainly for historical records as well as genealogical
hope i can work my way around this site
regards
Tony

We've made a century. !00 genalogists have now joined our group. W e l c o m e all.

You will notice on our site some discussions. If you can assist others with lookups etc please post your offers to th e Offers of Help by SKAS discussion.

If you would want assistnace with lookups please post a message directly to the lookup volunteer.

If you have not introduced yourself to the group pleae pop a short message on the general dicsussion area.

If you use a particular software package to record your family history try searching groups and joining a group discussing that software package.

If you are researching particular surnames please go to the groups tab and search for your surnames. If there is no group for the names you seke then consider setting up a group.

Please feel free to add discussion topics to our forum. Let us know of any events that are happening in your area.

Regards, Geniaus aka Jill
http://geniaus.blogspot.com
http://www.geniaus.com

Good evening everyone

I joined the group today and I've been enjoying reading some of the other posts. I'm interested in researching my British family - Hall, Knibb, Boardman, Arnold - and the Australian family of my husband although some work has been done here by other family members. Names are Stanley, Lohman, Lawler/Lalor.

regards to all

Lynda

I look forward to being a member

Hi Vicki,
I would start with your Mum's birth certificate, there should be your grandmother's surname on there. Then move on to marriage records.
Work backwards using any info that you have.
There are lots of people to help on this site it's great.
Happy hunting
Katey

Thanks for the invite! My research is at times spasmodic as I am very involved in helping others - I am the director of the Family History Centre here in Broken Hill - and have to find time in a life full of other activities (don't we all!). At present I am testing the new.familysearch.org site, which will shortly be available to the public. It is terrific! One of my husband's lines has been extended to a death in 328 AD, and I have added 10 generations to my Headland line (I now have 16 generations). I still like to verify the information, and that is time consuming and headache making. I spent a couple of hours in the Family History Centre this morning trying to read a microfilm which was almost impossibly dark - not too bad as far as illegibility was concerned, but a real washout. However, I did find a few names; even if I couldn't read the complete date, I did at least get the year.
It is so sad to find a baptism and a few lines down find a burial for the same child. How our ancestors' hearts must have bled, some lost so many children.
Good luck to us all in our onging searches - if I can be of assistance to anyone, let me know.

i am a new member of genealogy wise.com and this group as of today have been researching my family tree for several years now and i am so excited that i found this site today it will give me incentive to keep going you all should know what i mean when you hit that "brickwall" and someone/something has to push you to get going again well that is what happened to me today friendship to all

Hi,
I have just joined, thanks to an email from Legacy. Just taking time to have a good look around.
Looks interesting

Thanks to Legacy for introducing me to Genealogy Wise. Ifell that once I become adept at using all the site has to offer it will indeed be a very big help in family research.

Hello ausies, I started yesterday but lost the plot. I'll start again but cant rember what I was going to say. So many E'mails so little time {and knowledge } This looks like a great site once you get used to it. I have posted some Ideas and names but dont know where they have gone. Maybe someone will find them. Must go now befor i loose it again.
Regards Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,
If you lose your post, just click on your name at the start of your last post and all of your posts will display

hi all,
I have recently joined the group, am finding my way around and have managed to put up a post, hopefully someone out there will read it and be able to help
happy researching all
cheers
Debbie
ps look forward to reading more posts and maybe even helping someone else out

Family Sites. Whenever I find a website, maintained by an Australian, either devoted to the genealogy of a particular family or surname I tag it in Delicious with the tag familysite. I also tag any similar sites from overseas that have links to my family.

If you are considering creating a website you may wish to look at these sites for ideas or you may just wish to browse them to admire the work done my fellow family historians. Perhaps you'll discover a distant cousin.

You can see my lists of familysites here : http://delicious.com/geniaus/familysite. For a full list of the sites relevant to genealogy that I have tagged go here : http://delicious.com/geniaus/genealogy

If you don't have a Delicious account you may wish to sign up - it is a free social networking site that thousands of people use to store share and discover websites online. It is one of my favourite tools.

I do a similar thing but I use my HDDs in book marks
I did go and have a look and at your site and is quite impressive and makes it easy for others to look at as well as they may see something that is related to them making it a win win for all.

I also noticed your brick wall so I went looking as I do and found some landing in VICTORIA so I'll pm you with that you just never know.

Wayne

Thanks for the tip Ross. I am getting used to this but still cant find some things. I guess I will redo them. Jennifer.

Hello Geniaus. Can I be your friend . . I am so confused that I dont know which way is up.

Sorry Linde Jennifer here. I have enought trouble with internet . Noticed your surname . I have Wolters in my husbands side. Schoemaker/ Dawson/from Tumbarrumba N.S.W.

Hello again. I will endevour to make asensiblecomment. my mouse is sticking again. My interests are in Victoria and U.K. Having trouble with Carter/Higgins /sweett/. I have lots of letters done the old way of other surnames related these have been lovingly done by my uncle Vic Campbell [dec.] of Perth.
Names include Campbell Tingay KiDD Haysom Carter Etc. Any one with an interest please let me know. Just a few other questions. What is differance between Blog ,. can i put out my E'mail for close personal hits?I did suggest a site that would be like facebook but for people doing family history and looking for same names. I would have called it Relativly Easy.I dont hav the knowledge to do this. Any way thats all for now . Catch you all later.
Regards Jennifer.

I am on Twitter as Geniaus but the novelty has worn off. I follow quite a few people but don't bother posting much.

National Family History Week 1-9 August

A visit to the website will tell you about events in your area. http://www.familyhistoryweek.org.au/

Hi Linde, I am on twitter but I have not done much research on twitter of lately.
It's nice to know you.
Yours
George T Saviel
29 July 2009

National Family History Week starts tomorrow. Please tell the group about any events you attend.

Happy to hear about this group and to join it. I have collected a great deal of data on persons with the surnames Mitchelmore, Michelmore, Mouchemore and Muchmore (believed to be variants of the same surname) which I would be happy to share or add to. (Mouchemore is unique to Australia.)

Mike

Hi All
SA born now living Sunshine Coast
These are my eight main families that surround my grandchildren
MAY UK/SA - PHILLIPS UK/SA - McCONNON Ireland/SA - MORRISSEY ?/NSW -GORSCH Germany/Qld - JACKWITZ Germany/Qld - GOWLETT UK/Qld - SPURLING ?/Qld

Ballarat and District Genealogical Society have events on between 11 am and 4 pm tomorrow, Sunday 2 Aug at Ballarat Library.

Hi There Bob
are you looking to add to your search of these names if so just give a few more details of them so that others may help you find them and make it that little bit easier.

WAyne

DNA I am wondering what company offering genealogy DNA tests other Australians have used. I note that some of this group are members of GenealogyWise groups relating to DNA. Are you able to advise on tests and testing for Australians?

We used the National Geographic Genographic Project and found it easy to do, reasonably priced, and the package that came with it was very informative. You could follow the test on line and see the process it went through. There was a link to genealogical material at tribalpages, plus email notification of matches if wanted.

Good afternoon all

A quick question about software packages. I've been unsuccessful in getting Family Tree Maker to work with Vista and I need to acquire another package. Someone on one of the other groups suggested I try Legacy 7 and I'm going to give it a try. Is there a particular package any of you use that you would recommend for use with Vista. I know this isn't the normal type of question but I thought you might be able to help anyway. regards Lynda

Hi Lynda,

My program of choice is RootsMagic. I have been successfully using RM on Vista for over 12 months, both v3.x and now the latest v4.0

Regards,
Andrew

I have had no problem using Legacy 6 for 12 months with vista and previous versions on XP for 4 years. I have just upgraded to version 7 with no problems with Vista.
Regards,
Ross

Is there a topic with ref to software packages on GW if not I think that one should be commissioned and then these comments could be taken up there ?

Wayne

Many thanks to Ross and Andrew for their assistance - just what I needed to know.

regards

Lynda

Lynda, I just got home from work and need to throw in my two bob's worth. I use TMG - The Master Genealogist (There is a British version as well as the US one) and have no trouble with Vista at all. It also works well on my little eeePC that I take travelling with me. For displaying my family history on the web I have recently started using TNG, a program that allows for collaboration - ie you can assign rights to other people to add, edit and delete information on your tree.

I also have a copy of Legacy 7 running on my laptop - it's OK but doesn't have the level of sophistication of TMG.

There are groups for both TMG and TNG on GenealogyWise - you can read through the posts without joining the groups.

Cheers, Geniaus

I am currently testing the new.familysearch site - not yet available to the general public, but getting there. It is an EXTREMELY comprehensive site which links over a billion names, and when it is up and running (by the end of the year, we hope), it will be able to be used in conjunction with the following: AllMyCousins, Ancestral Quest, Armidale Issues, VCharting Companion, Generation Maps, Get My Ancestors, Grow Branches, Live Roots, Roots Magic (very compatible), and Legacy are working on compatibility also. More will most probably get on board in the future.Having a compatible programme/site will make downloading/transference of info. just so much easier, and II would be very, very surprised if there wasn't some information on the site which you would wish to download. My husband linked back from his g.grandfather, in Australia, to a death in 328 AD (via Lord Mayors of London, Royalty in England, Bulgaria and Turkey). I wasn't so fortunate, I only got an additional ten generations on one of my lines, but the info. is incredible. And you can often link up with others who are working on your line. You can combine, add and dispute information etc.
So, when considering a programme, compatibilty with what is possibly one of the most comprehensive sites may be worth considering. (I use PAF and both RootsMagic and Legacy - prefer Legacy, but both are good).
Denise

Thanks for that Geniaus - seems I have so much to learn - but I'm really enjoying getting started. I bought Legacy 7 tonight so I'll get started with that and learn the ropes before moving onto the more complicated programs. regards Lynda

I use Family Tree maker 2009 with a vista operating system on my lap top... I had a lot of trouble installing it initially... In the end by downloading a patch available on the internet and turning off all firewalls while I loaded it I got it to work. I have been using FTM 2006 for a couple of years and the improvement between the 2 is enormous.... I have had no issues since I got it to load... there are lots of forums and groups on the net who will assist if you have issues...

I have just had a message saying that SBS is going to be showing an New Australian Version of Who Do you think you are, starting 27 Sept 2009 at 7.30pm. I have it in my diary!

Hi Everyone. This is my second try and hope it stays this time.
Looking for Fitzgeralds Ireland between 1775-1836. Any one on this list looking for the same family?

How do I direct reply to a comment? I wanted to reply to Geniaus, I downloaded TMG, and my word I hated it. Compared to Legacy's easy get around screen, easy on the eyes screens - lets face it if you're looking at something for hours you want it easy on the eyes, I just couldn't stand tmg and deleted the programme from my computer. Also TMG dumped an American Historical time line into my grandfathers file, considering he'd never been out of Australia, that was a real pain in the proverbial

, especially to get rid of. Sorry, I just don't like it. They all have their flaws, I guess the trick is to find one with the ones that least annoy you and go from there. I HAVE redone Legacy in larger fonts etc and with what facts I want in the main windows, so it's what I"M looking for. Only thing I don't like about it at all is it does not allow for same sex couples, religious reasons I think. But FTM does, and I have an old version of that, so I guess if I want to print a report etc with same sex couples, I dump into that and print. Other wise, until something better comes along I'll stick with Legacy. Don't get me wrong I thing TMG is a good price in comparrison to the others, but yeack, painful. Just an opinion, not asking everyone to take it on board, I've added a pic of a screen dump of Legacy, as you can see I've added cause of death on the main screen, and legacy also notes 1/2 siblings and who they belong to. Cheers Jo.

Thanks for you invitation to join your Group, and accept. Barbara Diveney

Still looking for birth records for my GGrandfather Walter Pankhurst who was married in Kadina SA. Have not been able to find any birth details for him or his brother and sisters who were all married in SA. Found a death record for his sister Adelaide who married again and lived and died in QLD also found birth records for her children and on most of them the mothers name was listed as Adelaide Diana Purdy Pankhurst so was wondering if they were registered as Purdy Pankhurst and if that is the reason i Cant find them. also I have been able to find out if how and when my GG grandfather came to Australia. Have looked up the SA passenger lists shipping arrivals and immigration and all I can find is that Joseph Harward Pankhurst and wife Mary Ann arrived by 1842-12-31. source 5b. They were married in Sa so couldnt have arrived toghether . I have foun a Mary Purdey arrived in 1846 a year before they were married but can't find anything else for Joseph. is there any way of finding out more please Heather lLaverty

Hi again all

I'm still looking for information about Bernard CONNOR, who migrated from Co. Meath, Ireland, to Australia in 1858 or thereabouts. In 1872, he was appointed constable in the Queensland police force. In 1873, he married Annie HANRAHAN at Springsure, near Emerald. Later, the family moved to Rockhampton where most of their eight children were born, and where some of their descendants might still live. Any snippets of information will be gratefully received.