Surrey Genealogy and Family History

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This group is for everyone interested in family history and local history in the ancient County of Surrey, England, including south London areas of Southwark, Lambeth, Battersea, Camberwell, Bermondsey, Newington, Rotherhithe and Wandsworth.

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Veronica Mensch

My interest Surrey lies in the BOXALL name and variants. I began researching the name for my own family but as I accumulated more and more data I decided to turn this research into a One Name Study World Wide. Hence I registered with the Guild of One Name Studies. That being said I now have an extensive BOXALL database and would love to be of assistance to anyone who is looking for help. You will find I have also set up a BOXALL group.

Jul 15, 2009
Barbara Lewis Mallyon

Hello Ann,

I would like to join your Surrey Genealogy & Family History Group, look forward to hearing from other people researching in Surrey.
Kind regards
Barbara Lewis Mallyon

Jul 16, 2009
Ann Widdowson

Veronica,
My Veness Tree has a Boxall connection. Charlotte BOXALL married Aaron VENESS 13 Nov 1814 Ewell, Surrey. Can supply further details of Aaron Veness if anyone is researching this line.
Regards,
Ann
Researching RIDER and VENESS of Surrey

Jul 16, 2009
Fred Close

I have been researching a note written circa 1900. The note was purported to list several generations of my great-grandmother's ancestors.

After chasing the words for nearly three years, I believe I finally have the correct transcription. About 1900, Mary Ann (Annie) Curtis Somers wrote:

"My Grandma's Mother was the daughter of Brasier, Esq. of Cobham Court, Kent. Her married name was Russell. My Grandma's married name was Wicks and my mother's name was Curtis. Mr. John Russell, Mother's Uncle, was of Tillingdown Farm, Redhill, Kent."

The writer was the daughter of George Curtis and Mary Ann Brasier Wicks, and was born 8 May, 1851 in Croydon, Surrey and christened there at St John's 10 January, 1852. Her father was a builder (bricklayer) and the family lived in Croydon, Isle of Sheppey, London and Baltonsborough, Somerset.

Mary Ann Brasier (MAB) Wicks was the child of James Wicks, a groom and Mary (who by the above was Mary Russell). MAB was christened in Croydon at St. Johns 29 August, 1817 and died in London in 1892. James Wicks the father's birth has eluded me although there is a likely James christened 19 April, 1770 in Crowhurst, Kent. James died in Croydon 21 March, 1839 at 69.

Mary, the mother was living with MAB (nee Wicks) Curtis and her family in Croydon in 1841 and listed her age as 60 and profession as Needlewoman. In 1851 she was a housekeeper in Beddington, listing her birth city as Croydon and her age as 62. Mary died 11 August, 1858 in Croydon and her grand daughter reported the death, giving her age as 79.

I have found no other definite children for the Wicks couple but a James William Wickes christened at St John 31 May, 1807 is likely. I have not found a suitable marriage.

However, John Russell and Tillingdown Farm did exist! The lease for Tillingdown came into the hands of the Brasier family circa 1700 or before. It passed to James Russell (son of John Russell of Godstone and Mary Pike) in the late 1700's and to his son, John Russell upon the death of James in 1803. John married Mary Lipscombe in 1815 and died in 1829 without children. His extensive will seems to name all in the family: his wife, brothers, sisters and cousins (some of which were Brasier's and some of which were Searle's) but there is not a mention of a Mary Russell-Wicks. This is where the writings of Annie Somers can not be proven to be correct. Had John Russell been the Uncle of Annie's mother, MAB Wicks, Grandma Mary should have been a sister (or sister in law) to John of Tillingdown but she was not in the will and no christening to John's parents, James Russell and Ann Searle seems appropriate.

Jul 16, 2009
Veronica Mensch

Ann;
I do not know which Charlotte this is; I have the marriage in my database but so far have drawn a blank as to where Charlotte fits in.

"My Veness Tree has a Boxall connection. Charlotte BOXALL married Aaron VENESS 13 Nov 1814 Ewell, Surrey"

Do you have more details that give any clues such an age so I can see abt. when she was born, any little snippet might help me unlock her connection.

( I couldn't find how to send you this message directly.)

Jul 17, 2009
Lindsey Dedden

I am interested in learning more about the Brooker family who seem to have orginated around Horley Surrey before moving across the border to Sussex, East Grinstead area. If anyone has information, I would love to know more.

Jul 18, 2009
Joy French

The Ricketts family appear in Banstead, Surrey about 1778. Robert Ricketts was described as being "of this parish" when he married Elizabeth Clark the 28th day of April 1778. This is the first mention of a Ricketts in this parish. Until into the 1900's some of the Ricketts remained in Banstead. I would like to know where Robert came from. He was born about 1757. Is anyone else researching this family or Banstead itself?

Jul 18, 2009
Paul Eggleton

I have an indirect BOXALL in my Lemon tree. Jane BOXALL ch Sep 5, 1852 Bramley m. Richard LEMMON (ch Nov 7, 1847 Bramley) May 5, 1877 Hambledon. They subsequently moved to Battersea. If this links in with the Boxall researchers I can provide more details.

Paul

Jul 18, 2009
Sarah Jane Evans (Possee)

My Possee family lived in Lambeth. Would be interested to hear from anyone with connections to this name.

James Walter (born 1824) was a Police Sergeant in the Metropolitan Police. He had 3 sons from his first marriage to Priscilla Fullager. She died in 1851, along with their infant son. He remarried to Sarah Sutton and had a further 10 children! I am descended from John Thomas (from his first marriage).

Sarah Evans (nee Possee)

Jul 30, 2009
Patrick Holland

My immediate Holland family was from Bermondsey and then lived at Pownall Tce, Kennington from 1903 to 1965. My grandfather was Alfred Holland .

My immediate Segrott family was from Southwark and moved to Bermondsey. My grandmother was Eliza Segrott

Please contact me if we are related.

Thank You.

Patrick Holland in Perth Western Australia

Aug 2, 2009
Maureen Shepherd

My Surrey name interest is SKINNER.
They originated from Godstone/Horne and moved to Lambeth/Southwark.
Thomas SKINNER, born 1789 Godstone married Mary Daniels born 1789 Horne.
If you have any connection with Thomas and/or Mary I would love to hear from you.
Thank you.
Maureen

Aug 5, 2009
sheryl sharp

looking for any Toole , Cole information.
would love to hear from anybody that is also interested in these names.
thanks sheryl

Aug 5, 2009
John Laws

Hi Everyone
I am John Laws, a member of the Guild of One Name Studies, researching LAW, LAWE, LAWES, LAWS, LAWSE World-Wide though my own LAWS family came from the Stepney/Bethnal Green/Mile End area and were mostley Mariners, and my earliest is Henry son of John & Mary Laws from Walworth, Surrey. fairly newly built when he was born in 1800.
I have collected a huge database The LAWS FAMILY REGISTER we have our own group on this site, our own website www.lawsfamilyregister.org.uk and also I moderate the LAW@Rootsweb & LAWS-UK@Rootsweb groups, Hope we can give mutual help

Aug 9, 2009
Victoria Davis

Hi all, just joined and will look through all the resources when I can (I have an almost one year old to keep me busy!) but quickly, am researching the following:

Cooper - from Lambeth
Ovington
Taylor - Specifically, Captain Edward Taylor of the 5th Militia

Thanks!

Aug 11, 2009
Christopher John WAKELING

I'm interested in any information regarding the surnames Wakeling, Tullett and Simner.

Sep 17, 2009
roger

looking for help tracing edward tyrrell b1833 and wife matilda

Sep 27, 2009
Jim Sheppard

We are looking for baptism details for Phoebe MELLOWSHIP born circa 1800 allegedy in Newington Surrey. (http://www.stoneyburn.ca/Docklands/Mackay/Mellowship_Bio_01.php)

Sep 30, 2009
eve mclaughlin

Is anyone able to distnguish the many Frederick Fishers in Lambeth/Southwark from each other. One, sometimes Frederick Charles, was a painter and lived intermittently at 5 St Masry's Lane/St Lambeth in or about the mid 1920s. You'd be amazed how many FCFs and still more FFs turn up in the same time period.

Oct 5, 2009
Elizabeth Kipp nee Blake

Looking for the parents of Christopher Buller and he was born circa 1763. He had his slop shop on Tooley Street in Bermondsey and lived on Bermondsey Street and Long Lane between 1795 and 1832. His first wife was Mary Beard and his second wife Jane . His son Henry Christopher Buller (born 30 January 1805 Bermondsey Street and baptized 24 Feb 1805 St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey) was my 2x great grandfather. Anyone researching the Buller family?

Oct 18, 2009
Richard Miller BROWN

Good Morning list,
I have just registered with Genealogy Wise, after reading about it in Family History Monthly. I am therefore finding my feet, but thought joining the Lincs group, the county of my maternal ancestors, a good first move.

My father's family came from Reigate. For about 100 years, the family was in business as brick and pottery makers in Earlswood. Dad used to tell me that the family was from Mitcham. I have some evidence to that effect, but the combination of fairly scanty Mitcham records, and the surname BROWN, are making proving this out a tad difficult.

My grail is finding more about the brick-making business. I am getting there slowly, and have lots of information, some photographs, but no contact with the descendants of the brick-makers themselves.

Jan 10, 2010
Richard Miller BROWN

Ann,

This is a super list. The links to the various archives, societies, etc work very well and quickly.

I think I will be using this web site a lot from now on.

Jan 10, 2010
Jill Hyams

Surrey History Centre will be exhibiting at Who Do You Think You Are? Live 2010. The show is at Olympia in London 26-28 February. Visit the exhibition website to find out more http://www.whodoyouthinkyouarelive.co.uk/2010/the-event

Jan 29, 2010
Liz Loveland

Hi everyone, There is a fair amount of evidence that my surname (Loveland) was from Worplesdon in Surrey, though they went to the Colonies long ago. Is anyone else researching in the Worplesdon area?

Mar 4, 2010
Joyce B Sampson

I have traced the name of "Loveland" from Farnham and Woking. What date do you have for your "Loveland" in Worplesdon?

Mar 6, 2010
Liz Loveland

Hi Joyce,
According to what I've researched so far, the Lovelands seem to have originated, as far as I've yet found, near Worplesdon. So far in my own research I've found information that matches the info on this page of the Loveland website:
"Loveland - Pre-1600 References, Early Geographical Distribution & Origins"
http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~djmurphy/loveland/earlyref.htm

Not being in England, I am at a bit of a disadvantage in doing research on early documents, but I've been doing what I can from the States. I hope to take a research trip to England within the next few years.

How are you related to the Lovelands? Are you in England, the States or elsewhere? Please feel free to contact me off the board if you'd prefer.

Mar 6, 2010
Joyce B Sampson

I researched the Loveland name for someone else. I did not get back as early as your references, his came from Farnham, c1730. I found the Loveland website interesting.
Best wishes with your research.
Joyce

Mar 6, 2010
Jo Saunders

I think I am in the right place but not sure, My G-g-grandfather Edwin SAUNDERS, b 1842, moved to Wimbledon Surrey sometime between the 1861census and 1871, He left Dinton Buckinghamshire, where he was born, He was a brick layer and I have no idea why he left his little village except for the possibility of better work. He married Ann Mary Johnson 18 May 1871, they had several children and continued to live in Wimbledon Surrey, up until 1901 that I know of, I have the census' for 1871, 1881, 1891 and 1901. I would like to know when they died and where they might be buried.
Here is my website I have some of the information about this family there..
http://joni.tribalpages.com/
Any help or advice would be appriciated and any if you think you might be related to me please contact me.
Sincerely
Jo Saunders

Jun 6, 2010
Nivard Ovington

Hi Jo
The nearest death registration I can find is :-

Name: Edwin Saunders
Death Registration Month/Year: 1919
Age at death (estimated): 76
Registration district: Kingston
Inferred County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 703

Searching the 1911 index for an Edwin SAUNDERS b1842 Dinton finds :-

SAUNDERS EDWIN M 1842 69 Kingston Surrey

NJO in Cornwall (UK)

Jun 7, 2010
Jo Saunders

NJO in Cornwall,
Thank you so much, sounds like him!!!
Jo

Jun 7, 2010
Helen Pust

This is great as I now have some idea where to look for info. My gfather was Charles Henry Louder. b. 8 Mar 1885 . His family lived in Redhill, Surrey in 1900 at 19 Grove Rd. When he joined the 2nd Dragroon Guards in 1900 he signed in Guildford, Surrey. I can find him on the 1901 Census at Aldershot Vet Acadmey but nothing else other that military papers until he married gmother in 1908 in Belleville On. His father's name was James Louder & his sister was Mrs. Gobill or Gohill living at 23 Lambert Cottage, St. John's Kings Ave. Redhill Surrey. Unfortuately his surname was changed to Louden at some time and he was always called Harry not Henry. If anyone has an idea how to look up the addresses I might be able to get info that way. help is greatly appreciated as this has been a long look

Jun 16, 2010
Nivard Ovington

Hi Helen
Are you sure the Charles Henry LOUDER you mention in 1901 is yours?
He is enumerated as 20 years old in 1901, he appears aged 12 with father James and mother Eliza as LOWDER in 1891 and 2 in 1881
Birth reg
Name: Charles Henry Lowder
Year of Registration: 1879
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Reigate
County: Surrey
Volume: 2a
Page: 149

This would also fit with someone who enlisted in 1900 as an 1885 born would be to young

How do you arrive at the 1885 born LOUDER in Redhill ?

Looking at the GRO births, there are no Charles, Henry or Harry LOUDER or LOUDEN born in 1885

Nearest I can find is

Name: Harry Loudon
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St Saviour Southwark
County: London, Surrey
Volume: 1d
Page: 141

NJO in Cornwall (UK)

Jun 16, 2010
Janet Anne Paton

Hello Jo Saunders

You have Hannah SAUNDERS b Dinton, Bucks 1845 on your tree. I'm pretty certain she married my Ancestor Henry William CHAPMAN in 1884.
Please contact me if you'd like to share info.

Jan Paton ( nee Chapman )

Jun 16, 2010
Helen Pust

Thanks Nivard for responding. I haven't been tracking the family for awhile as I volunteer at the Legion and museum here after some idiot set fire to the archives. But yes my grandfather is the one listed at Aldershot in 1901. He lied about his age to enlist at Guildford. Harry was born at sea on a ship coming from Scotland to England and I am having trouble finding his birth certificate. I have his military papers from the UK and his Canadian Military papers for WWI. on each the date of birth is the same and he states Redhill, Surrey as his home. On the UK it states Isle of Wight as birthplace. It is possible that his name could be LOWDER as it has changed twice that I know of. He was LOUDER when in UK military but somehow it changed to LOUDEN (by his signature I can see how that happened) and also one time I believe it was LONDON. When he married my grandmother his name is listed as Charles Henry Louden but his name when he enlisted in Can. military was Harry Daniel Louden. He is a most interesting person and also mysterious too I think. But I do have others that are proving fascinating to find info on. If you can suggest how I get into Isle of Wight birth records or are they now in the UK archives? Thanks again Helen

Nov 27, 2010
Helen Pust

Can anyone help me find an address of 1900-1919 in Redhill? Myself and a young computer wiz I know has been trying for some time. It's the address of my grandfathers sister, Mrs. Gobell or Gobill. She lived at 23 Lambert's Cottage, Kings Avenue, Redhill, Surrey. His father's , James Louder, address was 19 Grove Road, Redhill. There is also printed "St. John's" slightly to the right and in between the 2 addresses. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Nov 27, 2010
Nivard Ovington

Hi Helen

1901
23 St Johns Reigate Surrey
Name: Harriet Gobell
Age: 58
Estimated birth year: abt 1843
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: George Gobell
Gender: Female
Where born: Redhill, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Reigate
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 133
Household Members:
Name Age
George Gobell 57 bricklayer Buckland Surrey
Harriet Gobell 58 Redhill Surrey
Arthur Gobell 19 Redhill Surrey
Emily Gobell 14 Redhill Surrey

RG13; Piece: 627; Folio: 99; Page: 19.

George & Harriet are at the same address in 1911
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There is no James LOUDER or similar at 19 Grove Rd Redhill in 1911

James & Bridget LOUDER are at 2 & 4 Grove Rd Reigate in 1901
They are at 15 Brook Cottages Redhill Surrey in 1911

Isle of Wight births, marriages & deaths would be indexed with all other England & Wales 1837 onwards events under Hampshire in the GRO index
Try freebmd

NJO in Cornwall (UK)

Nov 27, 2010
Joyce B Sampson

Dear Helen Pust.
IOW records have been indexed by the IOW Family History Society. They are wonderful records and you can search nine years at a time. The birth records show mothers maiden name. Marriage records show both parties. Death records show age of deceased.
They all start in 1837 and go to 2000 at least.
Best wishes.
Joyce Sampson

Dec 1, 2010
Jill Hyams

Surrey History Centre has launched SURCAT, its new online catalogue of archive holdings. Go to: http://www.surreyarchives.org.uk/Calmview/. The catalogue can be searched by keyword(s), dates or collection reference. If you have any comments on the new catalogue, please email your feedback to shs@surreycc.gov.uk

Jun 25, 2011
Jill Hyams

Surrey History Centre and the Surrey Heritage service is currently going through a Public Value Review, and we would appreciate feedback on our service from all our users. Please take the time to complete the online survey at http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/surveypopup. Your views could help to form the future direction of Surrey Heritage. Closing date is 18 November 2011.

Nov 12, 2011
Jill Hyams

Don’t forget: Surrey History Centre in Woking reopens on Tuesday 20 December 2011 at 09.30. Visit us to discover more about your family and local history in Surrey. For latest news, events and Xmas opening hours, go to http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/surreyhistorycentre

Dec 17, 2011
Jill Hyams

For more information about Surrey Heritage and Surrey History Centre - our opening times, activities, and details of our records - take a look at our new information leaflets which are now available online at http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/leaflet

Jan 16, 2012
Jill Hyams

Surrey Heritage (Surrey History Centre) is now on Facebook. Visit our page for regular updates on events & activities, online resources and research guides, new record accessions, and information about our services. If you need help researching your family history in Surrey, post your question on our page:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Surrey-Heritage/233931210020911

Feb 9, 2012
Jill Hyams

The Surrey Heritage Facebook page now has a much more memorable URL:

http://www.facebook.com/surreyheritage

Feb 16, 2012
Jill Hyams

We are proud to announce that Surrey History Centre has been voted winner of the Archive of the Year Award 2012 by readers of 'Your Family History' Magazine. The award was presented to us at the WDYTYA Olympia show by Colin McFarlane and Nick Barratt. A big Thank You to everyone who voted for us! http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/news/001033.html

Feb 25, 2012
Jill Hyams

Did your ancestor serve time in Surrey County Gaol? An online index to the register of prison deaths, 1798–1878, is now available on the Surrey History Centre website. The gaol in Horsemonger Lane, Newington, was Surrey’s principal prison and place of execution up to its closure in 1878, housing up to 300 criminals and debtors. http://bit.ly/xcnceC

Mar 12, 2012
Jill Hyams

We've been having power supply problems so, if you're planning to come to Surrey History Centre tomorrow (Fri 4 May), please tel 01483 518737 prior to your visit. We are closed on Saturday 5 May (as it's a Bank Holiday weekend) and will re-open at 09.30 on Tuesday 8 May.

May 3, 2012
Jill Hyams

Everything is sorted and Surrey History Centre is open for business today (Fri 4 May)!

May 4, 2012
Jill Hyams

Are you planning to come along to the Military Roadshow at Surrey History Centre this Saturday, 9 June? Don't forget, there's also an excellent talk by military historians, Andy Robertshaw and Steve Roberts. More details at http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/news/001039.html and http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/news/001038.html.

Jun 8, 2012
Jill Hyams

Surrey Heritage and partners invite you a free event to celebrate Warlingham’s past and meet the people and organisations who care for it. Join us for an afternoon of talks, exhibitions and ‘Ask the Expert’ sessions to learn more about the past in Warlingham and surrounding areas, covering historic buildings, local history, family history, archaeology and museums. More info at http://www.exploringsurreyspast.org.uk/news/001057.html

Sep 19, 2012
Jill Hyams

Surrey Heritage Celebration, Saturday 6 October 2012. Come along and celebrate our Archive of the Year 2012 award with a day of free events at Surrey History Centre, Woking, from 10.00 to 15.30. Includes children's craft events, a family history helpdesk, behind-the-scenes tours of our archives, and much more. The day will also include our Surrey Heritage Annual Lecture. Please note that the Search Room will be closed for research during this event. Free parking and refreshments. More info at http://www.surreycc.gov.uk/recreation-heritage-and-culture/archives...

Sep 19, 2012
Jill Hyams

Just a reminder that the searchroom at Surrey History Centre will be closed for research this Saturday, 6 October, because of the Surrey Heritage Celebration Open Day.

Oct 4, 2012