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Helping to find Noble ancestors from the counties in the Province of Ulster. Six of these make up Northern Ireland (Derry, Fermanagh, Tyrone, Antrim, Down, Armagh) and the other 3 are in the Republic of Ireland (Donegal, Cavan, Monaghan).
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Comment by George "Pat" Noble on February 13, 2010 at 7:09pm
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My Andrew Noble was on Fort Hill ST in Enniskillen in the 1862 Griffith's Valuation, as was Robert Noble, presumably his son born about 1852.
According to Ancestry, there were also listings for Andrew Noble's in an index to Griffith's Valuation (1848-1864) in Fermanagh, Aghalurcher, Derryloman; in Cavan, Urney, Tullyymongan Lower; and in Fermanagh, Magheraculmoney, Slievebane. Does anyone here have the details of these index hits?
The Ireland Tithe Applotment Books (1824-1837) show an Andrew Noble in 1835 in Fermanagh, Derryvullan, Tamlaght.
Ancestry says this about the tithe applotment source:
Source Information:
Heritage World and the Genealogical Publishing Company. Ireland, Tithe Applotment Books, 1824-1837 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 2008. Original data: Tithe applotment books for Northern Ireland, 1823-1828. National Archives, Dublin and Public Record Office of Northern Ireland.
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The Tithe Applotment Books record the results of a unique land survey taken to determine the amount of tax payable by landholders to the Church of Ireland, the established church until 1869. They are known as the Tithe Applotment Books because the results of this land survey were originally compiled in nearly 2,000 hand-written books. This data set represents a virtual census for pre-Famine Ireland. Since it covers all of Ireland it is immensely important in terms of constructing, not just an image of a particular family line, but of wider social conditions in the country.
The Tithe Applotment Books are not comprehensive and some parts of the country were not surveyed. It should not be assumed that these 'exceptions' from the tithe survey were due to parishes being overlooked since there are usually explanations as to why they were tithe-free. In some cases there are no tithe books because a certain parish did not exist, or was part of another parish, at the time of the survey. There were also some parishes outside parochial jurisdiction, such as the above-mentioned granges, while glebe lands and all towns were also exempt. Details of exceptions are provided below:
* County Antrim Parishes
o Glynn: names of landowners only
o Glenwhirry: no agricultural land worth assessing
o Granges of Ballyscullion, Doagh, Inispollan, Layd, Muckamore: all tithe-free
o Grange of Drumtullagh: tithe entries in applotment book for Derrykeighan parish
o Grange of Nilteen: originally included in applotment book for Donegore parish
o Shankill: tithe applotment entries entered in Belfast parish
* County Armagh Parishes
o Armagh: names of leaseholders for five townlands only
o Kilclooney [Kilcluney]: tithe entries in applotment book for Mullaghbrack parish
o Kildarton: formed 1840; tithe entries in Armagh, Lisnadill, Loughgall and Mullaghbrack
* County Derry Parishes
o Agivey: described as 'extra-parochial'
o Carrick: formed 1846; tithe entries in Balteagh, Bovevagh and Tamlaght Finlagan parishes
o Formoyle [Fermoyle]: formed 1843; tithe entries in Dunboe parish
o Learmount: formed 1831; tithe entries in Banagher, Cumber Upper and Cumber Lower
o Templemore: tithe entries to be found in Deanery of Derry
* County Down Parishes
o Castleboy: tithe-free
o Holywood: former site of priory, and records show that no tithes were ever taken here
o Killaney: no tithe applotment book exists
o Newry: no tithe applotment book exists
o Warrenpoint: formed 1825; tithe entries found in applotment book for Clonallen parish
* County Fermanagh Parishes
o Devenish: tithe survey (1824) gives only townland names and a few large landowners.
o Clones and Currin: tithe entries in County Monaghan
o Kinawley and Tomregan: tithe entries in County Cavan
o Templecarn: tithe entries in County Donegal
* County Tyrone Parishes
o Donaghedy [Donagheady]: no tithe applotment book exists
o Errigal Trough: tithe entries in County Monaghan
o Urney: tithe entries in County Donegal
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BTW, I have a DNA group at Ancestry if anyone wants to join it. It is called Noble R1b in Ireland. There's no point in maintaining discussions in both places, so I'll chat here, but you might want to add your name to the site and initiate an alert just in case someone comes along and posts to that group and not here.
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I have account VVH2T (two vees, not a W) at Family Tree DNA's YSearch site. If you're unfamiliar with the site and have DNA results from someplace other than Family Tree DNA, you might want to visit www.ysearch.org and establish an account.
My Ancestry.com test only has 30 markers in common with John's test, even though we both have paid for 37 marker tests. FTDNA and Ancestry test different things, I guess. My cynical side says it is a money making scheme, but I digress.
I was finally able to conduct test comparisons at Ysearch, but only after John gave me some pointers and a little prodding. Here is what I found:
I have a genetic distance of 1 based on 25 markers with Bruce Noble (KT95P). Bruce traces his lineage back to an Andrew Noble born circa 1800 in County Tyrone.
I have a genetic distance of 2 based on 30 markers with three users:
Michael Noble (D64QD) traces his lineage back to a Robert Noble born 1783 in Corhanagh, County Cavan.
Terry Noble (NRZ7T) traces his lineage back to a Henry Noble born circa 1798 and died 1836. No geographic info provided.
John Noble (AD93A) traces his lineage back to a John Noble born in 1817 in Maguiresbridge, County Fermanagh. He died in 1861.
I presume that Mike, Terry, and John are those who are members of this group. Is Bruce in this group as well? If not, I've written him and will try to encourage him to do so.
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Terry, I posted my results to Y-Share at your suggestion. Thanks.
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Comment by John Noble on January 14, 2010 at 7:00am
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According to FamilyTree DNA, my results for the Y-Refine25to37(Y-DNA26-37 Markers) are expected on 03/03/2010 - so we will have to wait until then to see if Pat and I match any further!
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I have now ordered the next set of DNA tests - the Y 25-37 one. Pat Noble has results for 37 markers and since we match on 25 of 25, it would be even better if we could match on 37 of 37!!
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Comment by Linda Noble Murphy on January 8, 2010 at 2:25pm
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Terry steered me in this direction, and I'm glad he did. Thank you for letting me join. Terry and I have years invested in trying to trace our family before 1800. I'm glad to be included in the group.
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Comment by Michael W. Noble on January 6, 2010 at 6:33pm
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This is great! If we're persistent, I think we'll start making more of these connections and find where our genes (and ancestors) crossed. Cavan, Fermanagh, Monaghan and even Longford counties are not that big an area -- our families were obviously all related and not far apart.
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It would appear that in fact Pat Noble and I match on 25 of 25 markers!! Wow! Maybe all hope is not lost in finding those elusive Irish ancestors!
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Comment by Terry L Noble on January 6, 2010 at 10:40am
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How exciting for both of you! Have you both put your DNA results into Ysearch.org? That is a good way to compare.
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