Sol family in northern Europe

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Comment by Patrick Edward Sol on December 6, 2009 at 11:02am

I'm sure that nobody in my family is adopted.
My fathers name is Johannes Hendrikus Ernst Sol
Can you send me a copy of the family tree you found ?
Maybe i see something i know from somthing i heard in the past.
send it to a different email adres(pesol@hotmail.com) or put in on this board to read it
greetz
Patrick

Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 4, 2009 at 1:03pm

Patrick,
Welcome to this group! I am delighted to hear from you. And I have a few comments, which pertain to genealogy research for relatives in the 1900s.
1. Can you get a copy of the death certificate for your Sol grandfather?......in the USA the states are starting to raise the fee for a certificate ($20 was the last I heard), so you might save money by getting the certificate now...
2. Any chance that your family is not forthcoming about your Sol parentage because of a hidden adoption? If such is a possibility, then perhaps there might be local adoption records.
3. Do you have Sol cousins? Information on your father's siblings or your grandfather's siblings could be useful to your search. Perhaps they had the same occupation, etc. And there is the possibility that someone somewhere has a Bible record of the family.
4. Death certificates are the anchor of your research, as they usually give the parents' names. Can you get copies of your father's death certificate, and your grandfather's death certificate?

The Sol records I have are from the index of records from Haarlem (on microfilm). They get us down about 3 generations to about 1700-25. So we need to get your Sol lineage back to about 1725 before we can be certain of any connection to the Sol family of Haarlem. I am told there are two other Sol families in Holland.....so you have a 1 in 3 chance right now of connection to the Haarlem family!

I would like to offer you a free Y-DNA test, which will help us as more men get tested....(well, it is free because you are a Sol, but you will have to pay postage). A mailing address is needed; contact me at lwthroop{at}aol{dot}com if you are interested. I would also like to test one of your Sol cousins (second cousin would be ideal)...also a free test to him.....

It is actually quite important to have you and a relative do the Y-DNA test....so that a matching of test results will point back to a common recent ancestor.

I look forward to a long conversation on your genealogy research.

Louise

Comment by Patrick Edward Sol on December 4, 2009 at 11:04am

I was surfing the net lokking at genealogy sites and found a post from you looking for somone named Sol.
I don't know what site it was.
But it was the first time i found someone looking for the name Sol

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 4, 2009 at 8:13am

Welcome to the group.
I am on the east coast and Louise is on the west coast (I think) so it maybe several hours before we here from her. She has the Sol information.

I am sure you can get a lot from genlias.nl to build your tree.

CBG.nl has info on Solbol family and arms in Muschart collection say one lion. ( a photocopy of that would be nice for the rest of the information colors, where he saw it, and family member who had it) (2 Muschart collection in South Africa may contain additional information)


Do you know of any Sol family members researching Sol family.


Also last wednesday on Dutch channel 2 (tealac) was a beginning of a series of genealogy and how to study family history. It mention my van Soldt/Solt family 3 times briefly. I expect they will use the research that has been done on my family more as the series goes on. It would be great if we find a common relationship between Sol, Soule, and "van Soldt/Solt's"! I will try my best to help you in your quest.

By the way how did you find me? I have made so many request and posts!

Comment by Patrick Edward Sol on December 4, 2009 at 7:42am

Hi,here i am!
You don't have to translate anything.
I read and write English.
Is it possible to send me the tree line you found so far from the sol familie.
Then i can look if there is a match somewhere.
By the way,i don't have a copy of the wax seal because you have to buy that.
On the same site there are some links to names you can look at.
Maybe it matches with something you already found

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 6:57pm

Looking at the index again I see my family possibly under Saal, Sull, Sewall etc.... so many. I will scan everything close to it and create a private photo album so you can view these pages that may interest you.

You said you wrote a report on Soule history. Is it availabe to view online? Where can I read this?

Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 3, 2009 at 6:43pm

I have not seen this.....hope you find something.

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 6:20pm

I hope to get these volumes of "Returns of Aliens dwelling in London ...." any day now. Have you seen these volumes? The Index is available online in Google Books only.

Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 3, 2009 at 3:54pm

As for the multiple surnames [Soul/Soule/Sole/Sol/Sowle/Sowell/Saul/Solle/Soley/Solis].....there are probably multiple ancestries, for several reasons. Here are a few reasons:
1. phonetically similar surnames get spelled alike. I hear there was a German 'Sohl' man in Holland about 1800 and his surname is now spelled 'Sol'
2. some families shorten their surname when they come to a new area: thus I understand Solbol became Sol in Holland
3. in England I suspect the dry English humor was used when naming an orphaned child......read the novel "Oliver Twist" by Dickens.....so the single orphan was just one person, so given the surname "Sole'
4. there is a recent book on the Sewall family.....which has a totally different Y-DNA from the Soule Y-DNA With more Y-DNA testing, we will be able to separate the families that researchers in the early 1900s bunched together! [and that includes the Soule/Soles/etc book for 1925]

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 3:42pm

Yes I am familiar with DNA tests. This may be helpful to others in the future who may read this article.

Sent you 3 things

Its to bad Soule and Sol groups are not combined,

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