Sol family in northern Europe

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Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 3, 2009 at 3:38pm

The Y-DNA test is a look at 37 (or more, depending on the test) locations on the man's Y-chromosome. These locations have nothing to do with genetically determined conditions. They are known as 'junk' DNA spots with no link to anything a doctor or insurance company might be interested in.

At each location the chemical repeats are counted, and a number results which is usually on the order of 6 to 30. I visualize each spot as looking like a Christmas bow---the kind with many loops. So count the loops and you get a number.

Since a man gets his Y-chromosome from his father, and his father gets it from his father, etc.....you can reach back into time on the male lineage even if you do not have paper proof of the name or birth/death date of that ancestor. A match with another man means that you both descend from a common male ancestor, but the name and dates of that man are not given by a Y-DNA test. A match to someone tells you that that man is a cousin, or other closer relative. The better the match, the closer the relationship.

Y-DNA tests are now used to identify different branches of an old, extended family. It often happens that a younger son migrated afar and his descendants have a tradition of descent from some known person in history....in this case, a Y-DNA test can confirm the family tradition (provided there are male descendants in both branches of the family who do a Y-DNA test).

The Y-DNA test also can tell you which part of the family of man you descend from...on the male lineage. There are two main groups found commonly in Europe. Ultimately, all the different branches of the family of man came from some core families in Africa.....in about 6 different locations in Africa about 100,000 years ago. There is a National Geographic website that describes the migrations of the branches of the family of man.

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 3:01pm

I would jump at the chance of a FREE DNA test. Some people do not share the same feelings, and look at DNA test as invasion of privacy or suspect he info may be used without there knowledge and who knows what else. We have to let Patrick or any other "Soule/Sol" decide without pressure.

Have we established if Soul/Soule/Sole/Sol/Sowle/Sowell/Saul/Solle/Soley/Solis are same the family or several completely unrelated families?

Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 3, 2009 at 2:29pm

Well, it would help for Patrick to do a Y-DNA test.....and see what matches he gets! If he goes to familytreedna {dot} com and puts SOULE into the query box, he can order a kit on the group rate....and since that is my project, I can find payment for the Y-DNA37 test.......so the test is essentially free to Patrick (except for postage). Please tell him that there are a whole bunch of descendants in North America who will be very happy to find a [very!] distant relative in Europe!!

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 2:09pm

Now this is getting interesting since you mentioned Haarlem. I will send your comment and email to someone who is intersted somewhat in Sol and in the crest Patrick describes along with your email. I have asked him to join us here as well. I also emailed another Sol I found.

It did sound like Patrick is starting out because he state he does not know much and wants to learn more.

Do your any the Sol's have a connection with van Ravens?

Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 3, 2009 at 11:43am

By the way, if you want an easy translation, go to "google translation" on the internet, and copy in the passage to be translated.....and you will get an instant translation to the language of your choice!!
So Patrick can put in his message in Dutch or French, and we can get a google translation......isn't the internet helpful??

Comment by Louise Walsh Throop on December 3, 2009 at 11:40am

Good news!! Perhaps Patrick Sol can join us here. I would like to see his Sol lineage, or as far back as he can go....perhaps he could share this information off line I am at lwthroop {at} aol {dot} com

I have about 3 generations of material I have compiled from the records indexed in Haarlem: which brings us down to about 1725......now if Patrick can get his lineage back to 1850 and earlier!!

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 8:43am

Patrick Sol writes the following and may be joining us soon,

I'm from Almere in the netherlands.
There is a Central buro of genealogie in the netherlands were a discription of the wapen comes from.
a shield with a five leaf krown on top of it and three oak nuts with to leafs each on the shield.
I don't know the collors beacouse its from a seal
I could join,I don't know very little from my familie and want to learn about it.
I've read it comes from zoll,sollie,solt, zolt
regards,
Patrick Sol

Maybe Patrick has a picture of this seal. Quite often seals have lines (horizontal, vertical, diagonal) , dots, crosshatching marks that denote colors. Maybe we can also obtain who the seal belonged to a time period with a little research.

Comment by Armando Framarini on December 3, 2009 at 6:50am

Nice surprise, a Sol from the Netherlands contacted me regarding the wax seal.

Having the message translated by my friend since I do not read dutch.

Will ask the to join our group, and find there location and where family is from.

Comment by Armando Framarini on November 30, 2009 at 7:02am

Not been busy on this, I have a good memory of my research.
I just returned from Georgia and catching up with all the emails.

On Google books you must have read this book "The marriage, baptismal and burial registers, 1571-1874, and monumental inscriptions of the Dutch Reformed Church, Austin Friars, London: with a short account of the strangers and their churches" by Moens

Look at the following pages
Saal 11,133,209
Sollot 208,209, 211
Solen XXIII should interest you
Solijns 143
Solly 170, 203
Souwle 15

DNA and having one donate it is tricky. Some people hold this closer to them more than there birth and credit information. First is to find some Sol's!

Comment by Armando Framarini on November 29, 2009 at 7:38pm

Also on ebay is The 2nd ship "Bevis" that mentions pilgrim "Soule" and also "Sowell" with genealogies on cdrom for $9.99 on Ebay

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